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  • #41
    did the company have a name? or just went by his name?
    Carolyn
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    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
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    • #42
      Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
      Was he ever known as Fred!

      Can't see this on GRO

      Frederick G Carroll
      1918 Mar q 1918
      Fulham reg district
      1a 380
      Mother's maiden name Carroll

      I did note that from 1950 Elizabeth added M to her name on the Burns Road electoral roll

      Vera
      wonder why not on GRO? Tried all sorts and doesn't seem to be there.

      Carolyn
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      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
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      • #43
        Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
        did the company have a name? or just went by his name?
        That's just reminded me, I have some vehicle registrations that were for his business. I will look at them tomorrow as they may have a company name on.

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        • #44
          will search papers for that - you never know, even if it is an advert - nice to see something of a connection.

          Different era - but here is an example of some things I found for my gr gr grandfather http://www.familytree.chatandthat.co...17-blacksmith/
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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          • #45
            That' brilliant. I love looking at old photos and reading about people lives.

            Off to look at them vehicle registrations.

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            • #46
              Well I've found 3 addresses now for Gerald Carroll these are on the vehicle registrations and a bank book.


              Is there anyway to check old records on who owned a property. I've also come across solicitor letters dated back to 1957 for a purchase of a house. Plus a letter to my husbands nan from the same solicitors in 1963 after Gerald deaths for them to defend her against the claim for possession.

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              • #47
                Check out HM Land Registry. The Gov.UK site.

                Vera

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                • #48
                  that was worth a rummage. You can try also searching Ancestry and FMP (in keywords - not that reliable - but always worth a try) and newspapers for the addresses, you might find phone book entry/reg of elector or anything really. Another family member might suddenly pop up with them that you never knew existed.
                  Carolyn
                  Family Tree site

                  Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                  Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                  • #49
                    There is also the military records if you don't already have them. Charges apply and they can take a long time.

                    I note that the Croydon memorial has Gerald as belonging to RAMC which I believe to be an error.. Have you seen that Memorial. Centre of Croydon next to Town Hall.

                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource

                    Page 8
                    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...36456/data.pdf

                    Its amazing what comes out of a rummage. It's often said on here you only need one snippet as Carolyn will testify to one of her newspaper finds.

                    Vera

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                    • #50
                      Will look at them links now. Had a day off from it all as feel like I'm bashing my head against a brick wall. I've a feeling its going to be a very long search to find Gerald.

                      My husband does have a copy of the dispatches his nan did give them to him, I've never seen them though.

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                      • #51
                        his beginning certainly sounds elusive. Maybe the next census will provide some answers, now less than a year away hopefully.

                        Carolyn
                        Family Tree site

                        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                        • #52
                          I think I'm going to have to leave him for a while. I've tried the addresses and nothing and there is nothing more dishearten/annoying/frustrating than hitting dead ends continually.

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                          • #53
                            I think you need to get the marriage certificate of elizabeth. It will give you her father's name, then you can look in america and ireland for a marriage of her to gerald.

                            might increase your chances of finding more information.
                            ​​​​​

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                            • #54
                              also it may be worth getting his second marriage cert - see if he puts same fathers name, and also Elizabeths death cert.

                              She didn't seem to have a will it was just admin, for £1.50 that might be worth getting it could have another address/person on there.
                              Carolyn
                              Family Tree site

                              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                              • #55
                                Do I order the will from the GRO?

                                Will get them all ordered. Thanks

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                                • #56
                                  Nope. Probate Service. Official government site. Don’t go with 3rd party ones.

                                  https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

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                                  • #57
                                    https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/ for wills, you need to select the right year band in tab at top. they are £1.50.

                                    If they say administration then there is no will (sorry I don't know technical terms - someone will correct me hopefully), just a form on who is sorting out the probate. But if you have nothing it may give you something.

                                    I can't remember if there was one now.
                                    Carolyn
                                    Family Tree site

                                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                    • #58
                                      An administration means there was no valid will found at the time, so obtaining the admin will just usually be the person granted probate. Can be next of kin or a lawyer for example.

                                      though that doesn't mean a will won't be found later, i have an example of that. The probate process had to happen all over again.

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                                      • #59
                                        Something for the back burner for when you get your certs thru. I have been looking at Goodwick, Pembrokeshire, Wales where John Kinsella lived prior to appearing in Willesden. He was b Wexford. His Will is in favour of his dau Catherine b Herefordwest reg.

                                        I can see also an Elizabeth A Carroll marrying and living Pembrokeshire to a chap called Lewis T Williams. He dies 1934. Not seeing Elizabeth A in the area after 1935.
                                        EDIT Elizabeth Carroll Williams dies 1937. Buried with William in Pembrokeshire

                                        Vera

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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                          Something for the back burner for when you get your certs thru. I have been looking at Goodwick, Pembrokeshire, Wales where John Kinsella lived prior to appearing in Willesden. He was b Wexford. His Will is in favour of his dau Catherine b Herefordwest reg. I can see also an Elizabeth A Carroll marrying and living Pembrokeshire to a chap called Lewis T Williams. He dies 1934. Not seeing Elizabeth A in the area after 1935.

                                          Vera
                                          ooh good work, did he have a son John too? that would tie up to reg of elector? maybe for £1.50 worth getting his will?
                                          Carolyn
                                          Family Tree site

                                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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