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this is the Liverpool to USA, wonder if she was meeting someone there
Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthis is the Liverpool to USA, wonder if she was meeting someone there
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=34242041
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostI've been thinking the same thing.
Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?
Not sure that a "birth cert" from MA will give you anything more than you already see - you could try to find out before buying, tho I don't know where you would go to find out.
Strong work Vera!
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Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
Many thanks for the link will save that now. Will also try and find the people she went over with. Looking at it would you say that's a Frank Condon under Elizabeth and her two companions.Carolyn
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Is this the likely census, quite a few more children
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
edit - don't think it isLast edited by cbcarolyn; 16-05-21, 23:13.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostIs this the likely census, quite a few more children
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
edit - don't think it is
Vera
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Not too sure about this as b an Elizabeth, then Eliza and this is Lizzie! There is another Lizzie Condon, living in Cork with a sister Hannah and father Patrick.
On Ancestry Massecheusetts Arrival Passengers 1820-1963
23 April 1914 SS Cymnic
Line 17 2 pages
Lizzie Condon aged 17, Servant. Last permanent address Kilfinane
Name and address of relevant person from whence she came:
Patrick Condon
Labba------
Knockanevin
?Co Limerick
Destination: W Lynn. Joining sister Hannah Condon at ? Tubber Hospital, W Lynn
Vera
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I thought it was it but the 1911 census is this one https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...d=162288556697
and threw me, Garrett I assume is Daniel, Ellen and Catherine (from shipping) no sign. will have a look later just off out
19111901Patrick Condon 56 Head Thomas Condon 35 Brother Mary Condon 54 Wife Garrett Condon 19 Son John Condon 14 Son Margaret Condon 12 Daughter Patrick Condon 40 Head of Family (Head) Mary Condon 38 Wife Daniel Condon 12 Son Hanna Condon 10 Daughter John Condon 5 Son Eliza Condon 3 Daughter Margaret Condon 2 Daughter
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Garrett is with uncles David, Jeremiah and Thomas in 1901.
For info from Irishgenealogy.ie
All children of Patrick Condon, Backsmith and Mary Sullivan of Labbamologgia reg district Mitchelstown
Elizabeth b 1897 20 May
Annie M 1888
Ellen b 15 April 1887
Daniel b 1889 7 June d 24 May 1919 Lynn, Mass
Johanna b 1890 12 July
Garrett b 1892 9 July
John b 1895 19 Dec
Margaret b 1899 5 April
According to 1911 Patrick and Mary had 11 children born, 9 living.
Vera
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Thank you for the extra info. I'm happy with any links or any extra info you have as it all helps.
I found on my side of the family they filled their census in using the Knick names they actually called their children, I even had a iggy down.
I posted a question on Ancestry board regarding the missing name on the records and here is the reply
Unwed mothers of that era did often give birth in a hospital, and often the hospital would register several of these births at once so that there would be several unnamed children on the same page. I don't know the situation, but if the father was involved with raising the child there could be something in probate records where he declared himself the father, which would provide the child's name and date of birth.
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostThank you for the extra info. I'm happy with any links or any extra info you have as it all helps.
I found on my side of the family they filled their census in using the Knick names they actually called their children, I even had a iggy down.
I posted a question on Ancestry board regarding the missing name on the records and here is the reply
Unwed mothers of that era did often give birth in a hospital, and often the hospital would register several of these births at once so that there would be several unnamed children on the same page. I don't know the situation, but if the father was involved with raising the child there could be something in probate records where he declared himself the father, which would provide the child's name and date of birth.
I think Elizabeth is very likely to have had Gerald christened very soon after she was discharged from hospital. Getting that would mean finding out where she was living at the time prior to the Lying in. Not sure the hotel mentioned would be her home address but then if she were a Cook maybe
I have posted a possible journey into Boston. She is joining a sister Hannah but that would all need to be researched to confirm the correct family but may turn up something. It's always worth seeing what can be picked up. Finding Geralds father maybe more difficult if he doesn't want to be found
Vera
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In case it helps this is a summary of the 'known' siblings 8 so far need 3 more with 2 deaths before 1911
Daniel Condon 1889–
Hanna Condon 1891–
Garrett Condon 1892–
John Condon 1896–
Elizabeth M Condon 1898–1966
Margaret Condon 1899–
Catherine Condon 1905–
Ellen Condon 1910–Carolyn
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As expected Gerald will was seriously pretty useless to me but never mind. Still waiting for the Kinsella one.
I'm just about to email Boston.
I did have anther reply on Ancestry saying that the record will be the same as what I see on the register, I have questioned this? Would they have been able to travel without documents?
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostIn case it helps this is a summary of the 'known' siblings 8 so far need 3 more with 2 deaths before 1911
Daniel Condon 1889–
Hanna Condon 1891–
Garrett Condon 1892–
John Condon 1896–
Elizabeth M Condon 1898–1966
Margaret Condon 1899–
Catherine Condon 1905–
Ellen Condon 1910–
Vera may be coming across a bit thick but what do you mean by laying in
I'm wondering why she went to America with two sisters, wondering if there was family there.
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Should be Lying in as in waiting for baby to be born and then delivered.
Post 131 has a Lizzie going to Sister Hannah. This was the usual thing for Irish people to head off for a better life hopefully in the USA. They would often go to a relative who may have even helped with fare but would support them initially. Same as Irish families to the UK.
If that Lizzie is yours it may help to find where she lived in Boston via Sister Hannah. I' m sure Elizabeth would have been talked kindly off. She would not have been the first and as long as it was made to look as normal ie married that would have been OK.
Hope Boston email will shed some light on whether there is likely to be a bc.
Will post link for Boston Lying in Hospital records
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostNot too sure about this as b an Elizabeth, then Eliza and this is Lizzie! There is another Lizzie Condon, living in Cork with a sister Hannah and father Patrick.
On Ancestry Massecheusetts Arrival Passengers 1820-1963
23 April 1914 SS Cymnic
Line 17 2 pages
Lizzie Condon aged 17, Servant. Last permanent address Kilfinane
Name and address of relevant person from whence she came:
Patrick Condon
Labba------
Knockanevin
?Co Limerick
Destination: W Lynn. Joining sister Hannah Condon at ? Tubber Hospital, W Lynn
Vera
The couple name one of their boys Gerald.
Vera
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