NB that is only the Kinsella's with "Harbour" in address
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostIts here
John Kinsella 48 years widower 21 Greenhill park Harlesden father Laurence Kinsella fathers occupation Labourer
Elizabeth Carroll 40 years widow address as above father Patrick Condon fathers occupation shoeing smith
witnesses Mary O Mallery and Maurice Sheehy
no idea if that should be O'Mallery but I've typed it as it is on the certificate.Carolyn
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostSo it seems by what's on the certificate, but there is still no record of Gerald Carroll being born 8 Jan 1918.
For info surname Condon predominant in Limerick Tipperary and Cork
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Just parking this one. Date and month of birth as 1939
Elizabeth Condon b 20 May 1897 Labbamolagga, Mitchelstown, Cork
Father Patrick - Blacksmith
Mother Mary Sullivan
On 1901 with family
1911 disappears.
Possible sighting 1915 aged 16 Liverpool to NY accompanying children Catherine 10, Ellen 5
Sookie was Patrick Condon deceased at time of marriage of John and Elizabeth?
Any occupation recorded for Elizabeth?
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20th May is her date of birth on the 1939 Census. I'm sure the year is 1889 but I've come across 1897 somewhere, may be her age at death that I came to that.
Yes he was put as deceased on the certificate. Elizabeth occupation Cook.
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Good find Vera
did spot this earlier, birth date wrong - but other details fit. I know this is a bit of a tangent, but did wonder if the families were linked, although Cork nowhere near Wexford!
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSourceJohn Kinsella Blackwater and Killala Ferns Wexford 27 Dec 1879 Laurence Kinsella Kate Neil Thos Kinsella Bridget Kinsella Last edited by cbcarolyn; 15-05-21, 22:24.Carolyn
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https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188
Not sure if you can see this but this is
Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool
25 th February 1919
11 Labbamologger, Ireland
Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month
country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Posthttps://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=11334188
Not sure if you can see this but this is
Inwards travel on Baltic New York to Liverpool
25 th February 1919
11 Labbamologger, Ireland
Condon, Miss E Waitress 23
Condon, Master G child 1 year, 1 month
country of last permanent residence USA. Heading to permanent residence in Ireland
VeraCarolyn
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Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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I'm just lost for words. Sending a massive thank you.
Still need to find his record of birth, and a record of a Condon and Carroll. Would be nice to be proved wrong and she did at some point marry a Carroll, or even lived with a Carroll.
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Mr Carroll maybe the father and maybe he did die (or married), she just never married him, so adopted his name and said they were married.
excellent work, how exciting, I didn't see the travel to USA was it with the mother, the tree is not long in USA then, and has Irish roots.Carolyn
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostI've been thinking the same thing.
Strange they recorded his birth without a name. Wonder if she registered him at a later date either in America or Ireland. So would he have been classed as American or Irish?
There is a Massacheusett index and birth records available but don't think the actual records are available for 1918. ? Go up to 1900. I think Gerald would be classed as father's nationality and country in which he was born but not sure. Lots of thinks!
What I felt was significant was that Elizabeth appears to have been supported. She gives her address as a Boston hotel and is able to get a lying in bed. I don't think the latter were so readily available. The DNA may reveal something.
Vera
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I'm going to email the Common wealth Massachusetts and enquire about a digital copy of the certificate, there is a form online to fill in and email back but they then call you for payment of $3 think their call to me would cost more than that. There may be more information on the actually certificate.
I'm thinking along the lines, may be the Gerald was married fed her the usual banter, he did die, he done a runner, so many scenario's and she was still young and in a country that she didn't really know.
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostI'm going to email the Common wealth Massachusetts and enquire about a digital copy of the certificate, there is a form online to fill in and email back but they then call you for payment of $3 think their call to me would cost more than that. There may be more information on the actually certificate.
I'm thinking along the lines, may be the Gerald was married fed her the usual banter, he did die, he done a runner, so many scenario's and she was still young and in a country that she didn't really know.
Although birth record looks a bit stark, I don't get the impression Elizabeth was left to fend for herself.
Just 're read thread. Did Gerald give occupation of father Gerald on his mc to Elsie G?
Vera
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