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This looks like son of John Kinsella and Mary Kelly
GRO
Kinsa*lla John Sep Q Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly
On Ancestry
WW2 Allied POW's
link to Catherine Ann
John Thomas Kinsella dob 03/08/1917
East Surrey Rgt. Private 6141835
enlisted 1936
Captured Singapore 15 Feb 1942
Father John Thomas Kinsella, 39 Harbour Village, Godwick, Pembrokeshire Occ Plasterer
Mother -
Destination Report
Mrs H Marsh
10 Mayo Rd
Willesden NW10
Vera
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Elsie was Gerald's first wife My husband was away always told that nan Kinsella was Gerald's mum. We did fund numerous letters from her to my husband's nan which we placed in her coffin, how I wished we has kept them now.
I think I will start up a separate tree and add all the Kinsella to it in hope for some hints on ancestry, never know someone my have some knowledge about Elizabeth, but wont hold my breath.
Thank you for the additional info will get doing that tree later today.
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In the hope that Elizabeth M was an unofficial aunt to Elsie I checked out Elsie's mum and dad for any connection but nothing coming up that I could see.
It's a good idea to put any info you have out there in the hope of that snippet. One more child for John Kinsella was Mary b 1912 Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly. Think she married a McCarthy.
Have you sight of the birth cert for the child born of the marriage to Gerald and Elsie? Maybe informant would throw some light on Elizabeth M
As suggested obtaining the various certs could of course be helpful. They can be obtained from GRO site. Marriage certs are full price but birth and death certs are PDF docs, cost less and have a quicker turnaround
Vera
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I think I have got lost, need to re read thread.
I have John Kinsella 1881-1945
John marries Mary Kelly
- Catherine Ann 18 April 1914-1986
- John (1917 - haven't found birth)
Marries Elizabeth M Carroll 1898 - 1966
- her son is Gerald Carroll 1918-1963
Gerald Carroll
marries Elsie G Rogers b1918 (there is a child from this marriage)
then marries Mildred Buckmaster
- Catherine Ann 1914-1986
marries William C Walker - 2 children JC and WG (1933 & 1937) not sure of deaths
she then marries John Marsh (1915-1973) has one child John (1939-2004)
on 1939 register 25 Harbour Village I have a bunch of Kinsellas not quite sure who these are yet, but address is same as posted by Vera
Household Members Age
Catherine Kinsella 41
Elizabeth Kinsella 18
Thomas Kinsella 17
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Christina Kinsella 10
Leo Kinsella 7
Joseph Kinsella 5
Oonagh Kinsella 3
Janes Kinsella 23
Carolyn
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostVera am I right in thinking
John Kinsella 1881-1945.....Married a Mary Kelly then Elizabeth Carroll?
John and Mary had Catherine, John and Mary
Ancestry is not playing nice today
I haven't been able to find the marriage of John Kinsella to Mary Kelly.
Mary Kinsella ne e Kelly dies in Pembrokeshire in 1928
Vera
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI think I have got lost, need to re read thread.
I have John Kinsella 1881-1945
John marries Mary Kelly
- Catherine Ann 18 April 1914-1986
- John (1917 - haven't found birth)
Marries Elizabeth M Carroll 1898 - 1966
- her son is Gerald Carroll 1918-1963
Gerald Carroll
marries Elsie G Rogers b1918 (there is a child from this marriage)
then marries Mildred Buckmaster
- Catherine Ann 1914-1986
marries William C Walker - 2 children JC and WG (1933 & 1937) not sure of deaths
she then marries John Marsh (1915-1973) has one child John (1939-2004)
on 1939 register 25 Harbour Village I have a bunch of Kinsellas not quite sure who these are yet, but address is same as posted by Vera
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=1012828841659
Household Members Age
Catherine Kinsella 41
Elizabeth Kinsella 18
Thomas Kinsella 17
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
Christina Kinsella 10
Leo Kinsella 7
Joseph Kinsella 5
Oonagh Kinsella 3
Janes Kinsella 23
John Thomas Kinsella b 1917 Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly is recorded in GRO as Kinsalla
The family in 1939 with Catherine Kinsella is I think a separate family to that of John Kinsella and Mary.
Previous census records have James and Catherine Kinsella living next door to John and Mary ie 1927 census 37/39 Harbour Village
A James Kinsella married Catherine Kelly in 1820 Haverfordwest reg.
Not sure if James is John's brother
John and Mary had one other child b 1912 Mary Ann marries a McCarthy
Catherine Ann married Henry Marsh
Vera
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Will put up link.
The 1927 shows both couples James and Catherine, John and Mary
Subsequent to 1928 no Mary
John remains in Godwick until early 1930's. Did he meet Elizabeth Carroll in Wales? If not what was she doing in Willesden which is a long way from Croydon?
The Wills I believe taking longer. Last one I requested I had overlooked in emails when it came through
Vera
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Originally posted by sookie23 View PostMany thanks
No matter what I did yesterday the address at Harbour View would not show up. Hoping it will play nice today.
Still no sign of the wills.Carolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostWill put up link.
The 1927 shows both couples James and Catherine, John and Mary
Subsequent to 1928 no Mary
John remains in Godwick until early 1930's. Did he meet Elizabeth Carroll in Wales? If not what was she doing in Willesden which is a long way from Croydon?
The Wills I believe taking longer. Last one I requested I had overlooked in emails when it came through
VeraCarolyn
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I have no idea what this proves - but had fun downloading and compiling reg of elector!
Name Residence Date Street Address James Kinsella 1923 37 Harbour Village, Goodwiok John Kinsella 1923 39 Harbour Village, Goodwiok Mary Kinsella 1923 39 Harbour Village, Goodwiok James Kinsella 1924 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1924 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick Mary Kinsella 1924 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1925 37 Harbour Village Goodwick John Kinsella 1925 39 Harbour Village Goodwick Mary Kinsella 1925 39 Harbour Village Goodwick James Kinsella 1926 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1926 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick Mary Kinsella 1926 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1927 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick Catherine Kinsella 1927 37 Harbour Village. Goodwick Mary Kinsella 1927 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1927 39 Harbour Village., Goodwick James Kinsella 1928 37 Harbour Village Goodwick Catherine Kinsella 1928 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1928 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick Catharine Kinsella 1929 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1929 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1929 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick Catharine Kinsella 1935 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1935 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick Catharine Kinsella 1938 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1938 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick John Kinsella 1938 75 Harbour Village James Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village James Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village Thomas Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick Thomas Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick. James Kinsella 1946 25 Harbour Village Thomas Kinsella 1946 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick James Kinsella 1947 25 Harbour Village James Kinsella 1949 The Peak, Harbour Village Patrick Kinsella 1949 The Peak, Harbour Village Gerald Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village James Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village Patrick Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village Christina M. Kinsella 1951 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1951 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1952 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1952 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1953 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1953 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village Leo L. Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1955 99 Harbour Village Leo L Kinsella 1955 Harbour Village the Peak Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1955 Harbour Village the Peak James Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village Leo L. Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village Catherine Kinsella 1957 42 Harbour Way Michael Kinsella 1957 42 Harbour Way James Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village Leo L. Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village Catherine Kinsella 1958 42 Harbour Way Michael Kinsella 1958 42 Harbour Way James Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village Leo L. Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village Catherine Kinsella 1959 42 Harbour Way Michael Kinsella 1959 42 Harbour Way James Kinsella 1959 Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1959 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1960 99 Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1960 Harbour Village the Peak Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1961 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1962 99 Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1962 The Peak Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinseila 1963 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1964 99 Harbour Village Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1964 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1965 Harbour Village N Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1965 Harbour Village the Peak James Kinsella 1966 99 Harbour Village James Kinsella 1968 Cw Cottage Harbour Village James Kinsella 1970 Harbour Village N James Kinsella 1971 Cw Cottage Harbour Village James Kinsella 1973 The Peak 522 Harbour Village James Kinsella 1974 The Peak Harbour Village James Kinsella 1975 Harbour Village the Peak Carolyn
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Lot of Kinsellas there Carolyn
Not sure why Catherine does not appear until 1927
James and John recorded on 1927 ER as NM which is Naval or Military voter
For info
Mary dies 1928 buried locally
Catherine dies 1940 buried locally
James died 1975 buried locally
All Buried in same grave with one unknown child and man
Vera
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Just no way of knowing how much Elizabeth knew/mixed with the family.Carolyn
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Its here
John Kinsella 48 years widower 21 Greenhill park Harlesden father Laurence Kinsella fathers occupation Labourer
Elizabeth Carroll 40 years widow address as above father Patrick Condon fathers occupation shoeing smith
witnesses Mary O Mallery and Maurice Sheehy
no idea if that should be O'Mallery but I've typed it as it is on the certificate.
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