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    #81
    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    I did see a tree had 2 Walker children included. Been out all day - so not looked again.
    2 males but late dob's for forum.

    Vera

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      #82
      This looks like son of John Kinsella and Mary Kelly

      GRO
      Kinsa*lla John Sep Q Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly

      On Ancestry
      WW2 Allied POW's

      link to Catherine Ann

      John Thomas Kinsella dob 03/08/1917
      East Surrey Rgt. Private 6141835
      enlisted 1936

      Captured Singapore 15 Feb 1942

      Father John Thomas Kinsella, 39 Harbour Village, Godwick, Pembrokeshire Occ Plasterer
      Mother -

      Destination Report
      Mrs H Marsh
      10 Mayo Rd
      Willesden NW10

      Vera

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        #83
        Elsie was Gerald's first wife My husband was away always told that nan Kinsella was Gerald's mum. We did fund numerous letters from her to my husband's nan which we placed in her coffin, how I wished we has kept them now.

        I think I will start up a separate tree and add all the Kinsella to it in hope for some hints on ancestry, never know someone my have some knowledge about Elizabeth, but wont hold my breath.

        Thank you for the additional info will get doing that tree later today.

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          #84
          In the hope that Elizabeth M was an unofficial aunt to Elsie I checked out Elsie's mum and dad for any connection but nothing coming up that I could see.

          It's a good idea to put any info you have out there in the hope of that snippet. One more child for John Kinsella was Mary b 1912 Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly. Think she married a McCarthy.

          Have you sight of the birth cert for the child born of the marriage to Gerald and Elsie? Maybe informant would throw some light on Elizabeth M

          As suggested obtaining the various certs could of course be helpful. They can be obtained from GRO site. Marriage certs are full price but birth and death certs are PDF docs, cost less and have a quicker turnaround

          Vera

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            #85
            I'm just about to add all the details of the Kinsella to a tree and see what happens. I never thought of the daughters birth certificate.

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              #86
              Vera am I right in thinking

              John Kinsella 1881-1945.....Married a Mary Kelly then Elizabeth Carroll?

              John and Mary had Catherine, John and Mary

              Ancestry is not playing nice today

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                #87
                I think I have got lost, need to re read thread.
                I have John Kinsella 1881-1945
                John marries Mary Kelly
                - Catherine Ann 18 April 1914-1986
                - John (1917 - haven't found birth)
                Marries Elizabeth M Carroll 1898 - 1966
                - her son is Gerald Carroll 1918-1963

                Gerald Carroll
                marries Elsie G Rogers b1918 (there is a child from this marriage)
                then marries Mildred Buckmaster

                - Catherine Ann 1914-1986
                marries William C Walker - 2 children JC and WG (1933 & 1937) not sure of deaths
                she then marries John Marsh (1915-1973) has one child John (1939-2004)


                on 1939 register 25 Harbour Village I have a bunch of Kinsellas not quite sure who these are yet, but address is same as posted by Vera
                https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=1012828841659

                Household Members Age
                Catherine Kinsella 41
                Elizabeth Kinsella 18
                Thomas Kinsella 17
                This record is officially closed.
                This record is officially closed.
                Christina Kinsella 10
                Leo Kinsella 7
                Joseph Kinsella 5
                Oonagh Kinsella 3
                Janes Kinsella 23


                Carolyn
                Family Tree site

                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
                  Vera am I right in thinking

                  John Kinsella 1881-1945.....Married a Mary Kelly then Elizabeth Carroll?

                  John and Mary had Catherine, John and Mary

                  Ancestry is not playing nice today
                  Yes all correct. However these are all records without certs so can never be 100%

                  I haven't been able to find the marriage of John Kinsella to Mary Kelly.
                  Mary Kinsella ne e Kelly dies in Pembrokeshire in 1928

                  Vera

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                    I think I have got lost, need to re read thread.
                    I have John Kinsella 1881-1945
                    John marries Mary Kelly
                    - Catherine Ann 18 April 1914-1986
                    - John (1917 - haven't found birth)
                    Marries Elizabeth M Carroll 1898 - 1966
                    - her son is Gerald Carroll 1918-1963

                    Gerald Carroll
                    marries Elsie G Rogers b1918 (there is a child from this marriage)
                    then marries Mildred Buckmaster

                    - Catherine Ann 1914-1986
                    marries William C Walker - 2 children JC and WG (1933 & 1937) not sure of deaths
                    she then marries John Marsh (1915-1973) has one child John (1939-2004)


                    on 1939 register 25 Harbour Village I have a bunch of Kinsellas not quite sure who these are yet, but address is same as posted by Vera
                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=1012828841659

                    Household Members Age
                    Catherine Kinsella 41
                    Elizabeth Kinsella 18
                    Thomas Kinsella 17
                    This record is officially closed.
                    This record is officially closed.
                    Christina Kinsella 10
                    Leo Kinsella 7
                    Joseph Kinsella 5
                    Oonagh Kinsella 3
                    Janes Kinsella 23

                    Hello Carolyn


                    John Thomas Kinsella b 1917 Haverfordwest Reg mm n Kelly is recorded in GRO as Kinsalla

                    The family in 1939 with Catherine Kinsella is I think a separate family to that of John Kinsella and Mary.

                    Previous census records have James and Catherine Kinsella living next door to John and Mary ie 1927 census 37/39 Harbour Village
                    A James Kinsella married Catherine Kelly in 1820 Haverfordwest reg.

                    Not sure if James is John's brother

                    John and Mary had one other child b 1912 Mary Ann marries a McCarthy
                    Catherine Ann married Henry Marsh

                    Vera

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                      #90
                      Many thanks
                      No matter what I did yesterday the address at Harbour View would not show up. Hoping it will play nice today.

                      Still no sign of the wills.

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                        #91
                        Will put up link.

                        The 1927 shows both couples James and Catherine, John and Mary

                        Subsequent to 1928 no Mary

                        John remains in Godwick until early 1930's. Did he meet Elizabeth Carroll in Wales? If not what was she doing in Willesden which is a long way from Croydon?

                        The Wills I believe taking longer. Last one I requested I had overlooked in emails when it came through

                        Vera

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                          #92
                          Originally posted by sookie23 View Post
                          Many thanks
                          No matter what I did yesterday the address at Harbour View would not show up. Hoping it will play nice today.

                          Still no sign of the wills.
                          what document were you trying to find?
                          Carolyn
                          Family Tree site

                          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                            #93
                            Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                            Will put up link.

                            The 1927 shows both couples James and Catherine, John and Mary

                            Subsequent to 1928 no Mary

                            John remains in Godwick until early 1930's. Did he meet Elizabeth Carroll in Wales? If not what was she doing in Willesden which is a long way from Croydon?

                            The Wills I believe taking longer. Last one I requested I had overlooked in emails when it came through

                            Vera
                            I did see a Carroll a few doors down in Harbour View, got me thinking
                            Carolyn
                            Family Tree site

                            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                              #94
                              Here is the link to 1927 electoral roll

                              https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ccessSource&us
                              ePUBJs=true&pId=3352692

                              I had to rev up the laptop but FTF didnt recognise me

                              VERA

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                                #95
                                I have no idea what this proves - but had fun downloading and compiling reg of elector!
                                Name Residence Date Street Address
                                James Kinsella 1923 37 Harbour Village, Goodwiok
                                John Kinsella 1923 39 Harbour Village, Goodwiok
                                Mary Kinsella 1923 39 Harbour Village, Goodwiok
                                James Kinsella 1924 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1924 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Mary Kinsella 1924 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1925 37 Harbour Village Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1925 39 Harbour Village Goodwick
                                Mary Kinsella 1925 39 Harbour Village Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1926 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1926 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Mary Kinsella 1926 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1927 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Catherine Kinsella 1927 37 Harbour Village. Goodwick
                                Mary Kinsella 1927 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1927 39 Harbour Village., Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1928 37 Harbour Village Goodwick
                                Catherine Kinsella 1928 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1928 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Catharine Kinsella 1929 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1929 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1929 39 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Catharine Kinsella 1935 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1935 37 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Catharine Kinsella 1938 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1938 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                John Kinsella 1938 75 Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village
                                Thomas Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                Thomas Kinsella 1945 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick.
                                James Kinsella 1946 25 Harbour Village
                                Thomas Kinsella 1946 25 Harbour Village, Goodwick
                                James Kinsella 1947 25 Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1949 The Peak, Harbour Village
                                Patrick Kinsella 1949 The Peak, Harbour Village
                                Gerald Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village
                                Patrick Kinsella 1950 The Peak, Harbour Village
                                Christina M. Kinsella 1951 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1951 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1952 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1952 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1953 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1953 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Leo L. Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1954 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1955 99 Harbour Village
                                Leo L Kinsella 1955 Harbour Village the Peak
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1955 Harbour Village the Peak
                                James Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Leo L. Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1956 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Catherine Kinsella 1957 42 Harbour Way
                                Michael Kinsella 1957 42 Harbour Way
                                James Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Leo L. Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1957 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Catherine Kinsella 1958 42 Harbour Way
                                Michael Kinsella 1958 42 Harbour Way
                                James Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Leo L. Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1958 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Catherine Kinsella 1959 42 Harbour Way
                                Michael Kinsella 1959 42 Harbour Way
                                James Kinsella 1959 Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1959 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1960 99 Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1960 Harbour Village the Peak
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1961 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1962 99 Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1962 The Peak Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinseila 1963 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1964 99 Harbour Village
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1964 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1965 Harbour Village N
                                Patrick Gerald Kinsella 1965 Harbour Village the Peak
                                James Kinsella 1966 99 Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1968 Cw Cottage Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1970 Harbour Village N
                                James Kinsella 1971 Cw Cottage Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1973 The Peak 522 Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1974 The Peak Harbour Village
                                James Kinsella 1975 Harbour Village the Peak
                                Carolyn
                                Family Tree site

                                Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                  #96
                                  Lot of Kinsellas there Carolyn

                                  Not sure why Catherine does not appear until 1927
                                  James and John recorded on 1927 ER as NM which is Naval or Military voter

                                  For info

                                  Mary dies 1928 buried locally
                                  Catherine dies 1940 buried locally
                                  James died 1975 buried locally
                                  All Buried in same grave with one unknown child and man


                                  Vera

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                                    #97
                                    Just no way of knowing how much Elizabeth knew/mixed with the family.
                                    Carolyn
                                    Family Tree site

                                    Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                      #98
                                      WOW how many.

                                      I'm waiting patiently for Kinsella's will and his marriage record to Elizabeth.

                                      Catherine's first husband Walker died in 1937 the marriage record 1933 shows Marylebone his death is recorded in Willesden.

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                                        #99
                                        Its here

                                        John Kinsella 48 years widower 21 Greenhill park Harlesden father Laurence Kinsella fathers occupation Labourer

                                        Elizabeth Carroll 40 years widow address as above father Patrick Condon fathers occupation shoeing smith

                                        witnesses Mary O Mallery and Maurice Sheehy

                                        no idea if that should be O'Mallery but I've typed it as it is on the certificate.

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                                          On great Sookie. Lots of solid info to research.

                                          Vera

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