Hello! I need some help trying to find Charles Davies born 1869 in Tredegar, unsure of his death. I have him in 1901 and 1911. He married Elizabeth Ann West in 1895 (I have the wedding cert). Wedding cert says his father is John Davies and he's a collier. I need help trying to narrow down who his mum was and find them in 1891 and before. There's a few possibilities but I don't know how to confirm any. I try to follow up with possible people but just end up getting lost :( As always any help is greatly appreciated!
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Hello Nora
Not familiar with Welsh areas. Looking at GRO there are 2 possible records for Charles
Davies Charles June q 1868 mmn Rees
Davies Charles Sept q 1868 mmm Dickins
Nothing certain but parking this here as a possibility. Need to check GRO for mmn
Marriage of ? Charles son William 1920 Bedwelty has witnesses named Powell
1881 Merthyr, Glam
Davies John 38 Miner b Rhymney
Mary 33 b Dowlais
Thomas 17 Rhymney
David 15. "
Charles 13. "
Jane 9. "
John 7. "
Rachel 3. "
Living with them Powell children who are said to be step children but more likely relatives
David 15
Mary or Margaret Ann 11
1871
Davies John 29 Miner Glam
Mary 30 Breck
Thomas 8 b Merthyr
David 5 Merthyr
Charles 3 Bedwellty
Margaret Ann 1/12 Bedwellty GRO mm Rees
Living Bedwellty
Vera
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Hello. Thank you for replying. I've found all what you found but got confused by the Powells and I assumed that John had remarried because I found Mary Powell on an earlier census married to Robert Powell and all their childrens ages and names matched up but then got lost trying to find a marriage for John to a Powell. I've also searched for a marriage between a Dickins and Davies but can't find any but there are many for Rees and Davies!
It's the welsh names being so common, it makes things so complicated :(
Thank you for your help though, much appreciated.
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It's the similar names which make it difficult to be sure when checking mother's maiden names against children and for me lack of knowledge of the towns.
I believe the Powell children belong to the sister of John Davies ie Mary Davies who married Robert Powell. I can see them in the 1871 with their parents. Not sure what happened to their parents. In the 1891 Mary Ann Powell is recorded as adopted child with John and Mary Davies
1871 Merthyr Tydfil
Powell Robert 28 Coal Miner ? Methvey, Glam
Mary ? nee Davies 27 Dowlais
Elizabeth 8. "
David 5. "
Margaret 3 "
Mary Ann 1. "
Plus lodger
Living 74 Mary St Upper Merthyr
Vera
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Welsh are so hard with everyone having the same name, and same occupation! i did have a look around, but it was late, looks like Vera is on the trailCarolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostHello Nora
Not familiar with Welsh areas. Looking at GRO there are 2 possible records for Charles
Davies Charles June q 1868 mmn Rees
Davies Charles Sept q 1868 mmm Dickins
Nothing certain but parking this here as a possibility. Need to check GRO for mmn
Marriage of ? Charles son William 1920 Bedwelty has witnesses named Powell
1881 Merthyr, Glam
Davies John 38 Miner b Rhymney
Mary 33 b Dowlais
Thomas 17 Rhymney
David 15. "
Charles 13. "
Jane 9. "
John 7. "
Rachel 3. "
Living with them Powell children who are said to be step children but more likely relatives
David 15
Mary or Margaret Ann 11
1871
Davies John 29 Miner Glam
Mary 30 Breck
Thomas 8 b Merthyr
David 5 Merthyr
Charles 3 Bedwellty
Margaret Ann 1/12 Bedwellty GRO mm Rees
Living Bedwellty
Vera
DAVIES, THOMAS JOHN REES GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 95 DAVIES, DAVID REYNOLD REES GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 114 DAVIES, CHARLES REES GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 116 DAVIES, JANE REES GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 98 DAVIES, JANE REES GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 99 DAVIES, JOHN EYTHEN REES GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 126 Carolyn
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Thank you. I'll work on the assumption that the John Vera found is correct for now. I've always assumed he was the right one or the most likely anyway. The welsh names are a nightmare. I have some Jones' too and they were so much easier than Davies! Thank you all again
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I will try to add some proof by looking at other records available.
Currently looking at a Charles Davies' Army record which gives limited info but gives an age of 18 years 10 months ie d ob 1866. Could have fibbed of course. Do you know if your Charles was in the Army? No Next OK unfortunately.
Enlisted 10 Feb 1885. Was in the Welsh Borderers, Militia and Monmouthshire Engineers. Discharged 15 May 1995.
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI will try to add some proof by looking at other records available.
Currently looking at a Charles Davies' Army record which gives limited info but gives an age of 18 years 10 months ie d ob 1866. Could have fibbed of course. Do you know if your Charles was in the Army? No Next OK unfortunately.
Enlisted 10 Feb 1885. Was in the Welsh Borderers, Militia and Monmouthshire Engineers. Discharged 15 May 1995.
Vera
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certainly mighty hard.
I did note that the 2 Powell children were born in same place as Rachel Davies, and the wife Mary had changed age, so could be a new wife? could have died at same time as Rachels death, in merthyr. There is a Mary Davies death in 1877
Many Mary Davies deathsDAVIES, RACHEL REES GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 635
there is a marriage of a May Powell in same quarter, seems a bit quick, but maybe what happened in this times when things were tough on your own.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postcertainly mighty hard.
I did note that the 2 Powell children were born in same place as Rachel Davies, and the wife Mary had changed age, so could be a new wife? could have died at same time as Rachels death, in merthyr. There is a Mary Davies death in 1877
Many Mary Davies deathsDAVIES, RACHEL REES GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 635
there is a marriage of a May Powell in same quarter, seems a bit quick, but maybe what happened in this times when things were tough on your own.
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This highlights the problems of similar names. Having looked at the Charles in the Army, I think his age fits more with the Charles b 1867 Merthyr Tydfil reg mm n Powell. I think you looked at that one already Nora. However not found a marriage for a John Davies to a Mary Powell. That Army Charles' religion was Wesleyan so possible parents marriage may not be on FMP or Ancestry
The Army records are on Ancestry and FMP. Can link or email if you need.
Possible death for Charles is 1932.
I think one possible scenario for your Charles is that he is the son of John Davies who m Mary Powell whose brother Robert Powell m Mary Davies sister of John Davies.
There are many possibilities as you know just need to follow any possibilities to confirm or eliminate.
Just parked this here as I had it in my head. Will now read previous posts for clues.
Vera
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rees certainly seems to fit with most of the children, Rachel seems to be missing atm, and I am not liking to Swansea one - too far away really.
You could post links/details of the other finds it might help to get a second opinion. I assume you can't see anything to see that the davies-Rees family are in fact yours?
and of course Mary Davies could be the second Mary Davies, but not necessarily anything to do with Powell!Last edited by cbcarolyn; 17-09-21, 09:39.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postcertainly mighty hard.
I did note that the 2 Powell children were born in same place as Rachel Davies, and the wife Mary had changed age, so could be a new wife? could have died at same time as Rachels death, in merthyr. There is a Mary Davies death in 1877
Many Mary Davies deathsDAVIES, RACHEL REES GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 635
there is a marriage of a May Powell in same quarter, seems a bit quick, but maybe what happened in this times when things were tough on your own.
Rachel not too sure. I did find a Rachel Davies b Merthyr m to a William Eames/Emes who was b Islington but can only see a Rachel Davies reg Merthyr 1878 with mm n Davis on GRO. So the Swansea reg could be the Rachel from a second m of John Davies.
John Rees Davies on the 1881 b 1873 may fit in with the second m also.
Vera
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This is the Charles in 1891 that I was leaning towards being mine so I searched for a marriage between Ann Rees (I'm convinced Charles's mum was a Rees) and John Davies and found far to many.
It may not even be him though because the census with the Powells on it makes more sense and the idea of maybe John marrying Mary Powell whose brother Robert married John sister. So confusing but a good theory!
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I have no Welsh expertise, although DHs family are all from there!
There is a john Rees Davies MMN West born 1897 in Merthyr, I assume that is why you are leaning towards Rees?Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI have no Welsh expertise, although DHs family are all from there!
There is a john Rees Davies MMN West born 1897 in Merthyr, I assume that is why you are leaning towards Rees?
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I can see the 1891 Charles with mother Ann in Tredegar, Could be but note Ann a Widow and Charles didnt record father John as being deceased at time of his marriage to Elizabeth Ann West in 1895 but then that is not always recorded. Not seeing Charles with mother Ann in 1881 but will recheck
Putting up two signatures 1st of Charles marriage, 2nd a Charles Davies from the Army enlistment of 1885. ? same signature. Either way doesnt confirm who his parents are although record does refer to John Davies.
FMP record
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Image | findmypast.co.uk
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI can see the 1891 Charles with mother Ann in Tredegar, Could be but note Ann a Widow and Charles didnt record father John as being deceased at time of his marriage to Elizabeth Ann West in 1895 but then that is not always recorded. Not seeing Charles with mother Ann in 1881 but will recheck
Putting up two signatures 1st of Charles marriage, 2nd a Charles Davies from the Army enlistment of 1885. ? same signature. Either way doesnt confirm who his parents are although record does refer to John Davies.
FMP record
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Image | findmypast.co.uk
Vera
Your point about Ann being a widow in 1891 is a good one, never thought of that. I think I only assumed it was maybe my Charles because of the Tredegar link. I'm pretty sure now that all the Davies children in 1871 and 1881 were born in Bedwellty, except Rachel. I think she may have been born in Merthyr. I can find them all on the GRO but would need to purchase quite a few to see which ones are the right ones, if they're correct! Still struggling with the Davies, Powell link though and a marriage if at all between John and a possible Mary Rees.
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Lots of possibilities Nora. Still not seeing Ann and Charles from the 1891 in other Census.
Had hoped to find more military records. Unfortunately the last page of the record is faded.
Would cost a fortune to purchase all the bc's and then maybe not able to confirm
EDIT You could purchase just Charles for now.
1868 Jun Q Bedwelty mm n Rees
I will look around for any c!ues. I am trying to find out who the Powell witnesses were at William's wedding. That's the 1920 wedding of Charles and Elizabeth Ann's son. Is that the correct wedding? Thought they may have been related to David Powell from the 1881.
Vera
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