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  • #21
    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
    Lots of possibilities Nora. Still not seeing Ann and Charles from the 1891 in other Census.

    Had hoped to find more military records. Unfortunately the last page of the record is faded.

    Would cost a fortune to purchase all the bc's and then maybe not able to confirm
    EDIT You could purchase just Charles for now.

    1868 Jun Q Bedwelty mm n Rees

    I will look around for any c!ues. I am trying to find out who the Powell witnesses were at William's wedding. That's the 1920 wedding of Charles and Elizabeth Ann's son. Is that the correct wedding? Thought they may have been related to David Powell from the 1881.

    Vera
    Will definitely buy the Charles Davies cert. I couldn't find Ann and Charles from 1891 on other census's either so wont rule it out just yet.

    Yes the wedding of William is correct. There's also a lot of other children for Charles and Elizabeth Ann but they died young or as babies. The names of them are the same as possible siblings for Charles. Eg there's a John Rees, Thomas, David. Might mean nothing because the names are common but then again they did like to use family names in them days so who knows!

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    • #22
      there is this tree on Ancestry, not really seeing how they have come up with griffiths, but interesting to see they have an exact dob and death, wonder if they have the certs
      https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...57541866/facts
      Carolyn
      Family Tree site

      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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      • #23
        ...who is William? I have got lost!
        Carolyn
        Family Tree site

        Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
        Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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        • #24
          have you seen this certs
          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-v...&usePUBJs=true

          bit further down the line with child of Thomas
          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...677427/gallery
          Carolyn
          Family Tree site

          Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
          Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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          • #25
            Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
            ...who is William? I have got lost!
            Hello Carolyn. William is the son of Charles Davies b 1868 Bedwellty. Charles Davies married Elizabeth Ann West in 1895.

            William Davies b 1897 married Annie James in 1920 at Bedwellty. Witnesses M Powell and ? Powell

            Vera

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            • #26
              Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
              ...who is William? I have got lost!
              Vera beat me to it and explained!

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              • #27
                Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                have you seen this certs
                https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-v...&usePUBJs=true

                bit further down the line with child of Thomas
                https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...677427/gallery
                I've sent the owner of this tree asking how he knows Mary Griffiths is the mother of Charles Davies. I'm also linked to him through DNA so I'm guessing his tree is right in part, just need to see how he came to the conclusions he has!

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Nora View Post

                  I've sent the owner of this tree asking how he knows Mary Griffiths is the mother of Charles Davies. I'm also linked to him through DNA so I'm guessing his tree is right in part, just need to see how he came to the conclusions he has!
                  The 1963 m of John Davies to Mary Griffiths in the tree gives John's occupation as Puddler.1861 has a John Davies b Gellygaer as an Iron Miner.

                  So Nora your theory and Carolyns is correct. John Davies m twice, first to a Mary ?? maiden name, the mother of Charles b 1868 and others. That Mary died ? around 1877. Then to another Mary nee Davies, the Widow of Rbt Powell who is with John Davies and her children with Rbt in the 1881 as well as Rachel Davies b 1878.

                  Vera

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by vera2013 View Post

                    The 1963 m of John Davies to Mary Griffiths in the tree gives John's occupation as Puddler.1861 has a John Davies b Gellygaer as an Iron Miner.

                    So Nora your theory and Carolyns is correct. John Davies m twice, first to a Mary ?? maiden name, the mother of Charles b 1868 and others. That Mary died ? around 1877. Then to another Mary nee Davies, the Widow of Rbt Powell who is with John Davies and her children with Rbt in the 1881 as well as Rachel Davies b 1878.

                    Vera
                    Yep, think this is defo what happened. The owner of that tree confirmed he isn't convinced of the Mary Griffiths 1st wife either but I think the rest of it is probably correct. It's given me a lot to work with and I'm still pretty sure that Charles' mum was a Rees so just need to find the marriage and knowing more about John might narrow it down.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Nora View Post

                      Yep, think this is defo what happened. The owner of that tree confirmed he isn't convinced of the Mary Griffiths 1st wife either but I think the rest of it is probably correct. It's given me a lot to work with and I'm still pretty sure that Charles' mum was a Rees so just need to find the marriage and knowing more about John might narrow it down.
                      did he have any certs? I am sure someone has got Rachels, but not put them or the tree up, and then everyone else has taken their word for it. Mary griffiths husband was a puddler, which is in the iron industry I think. and Griffiths not matching with MMN either. Good that they replied quickly. There are a few with similar tree.
                      Carolyn
                      Family Tree site

                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                      • #31
                        Looking brief!y at John b 1841 +/- last night. There is one with mother Ann who changes occupations between Puddler, Iron Miner and Collier. However, there is more than one John Davies b in Gelligaer at the same time.

                        Vera





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                        • #32
                          I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

                          https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ue&pId=1333036

                          It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.
                          Elaine

                          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                            I have been pondering over the family every night trying to find a connection somewhere to help, the one thing bugging me was an Edwin J. Davies in 1901 with the Eames family. I found a marriage a few nights ago for a Margaret Powell marrying Thomas Telfer searching for a Robert Powell father

                            https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ue&pId=1333036

                            It was the birthplace that kept putting me off for Margaret but just noticed one of the trees has reference to Edwin/Edward as Ted Telfer...I had been thinking he might be the same chap who is with Margaret Telfer as nephew 1911 as birthplace is Ynysybwl on both census returns; I hadn't looked at trees up to now so wanted to mention it in case it helps in the search.
                            I see that there is also Mary Davies with them, and she only speaks welsh

                            Carolyn
                            Family Tree site

                            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                            • #34
                              I know! Would be different and be Carmarthen just to confuse it all.
                              Elaine

                              Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                              http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                              http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              • #35
                                Edwin J Davies is mentioned in some of the trees as a child of Rachel Davies and they have his birth cert. No father is named. He is the great grandfather of the man who has Mary griffiths in his tree.
                                I've came across the 1901 census but haven't tried piecing it all together yet. Everyone that has John Davies marrying a Mary and then Mary Powell, I'm linked to them all through DNA. I've sent many messages asking for how they came to their conclusions etc and only 1 reply so far so still a lot to do!

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post

                                  did he have any certs? I am sure someone has got Rachels, but not put them or the tree up, and then everyone else has taken their word for it. Mary griffiths husband was a puddler, which is in the iron industry I think. and Griffiths not matching with MMN either. Good that they replied quickly. There are a few with similar tree.
                                  No one has mentioned the certs yet. Still waiting for replies though. I hate it when people don't put a source for the information :(

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                                  • #37
                                    I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

                                    Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

                                    Just parking this as a possible

                                    1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

                                    Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
                                    Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
                                    Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
                                    Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
                                    Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
                                    Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

                                    A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

                                    Living at haven't a clue

                                    1841 Llangonyd
                                    Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
                                    Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
                                    Elizabeth 9. "
                                    Rachel 7. "
                                    Mary 4. "
                                    Margaret 2. "

                                    In the same area
                                    Thomas 12 Fs. bic
                                    Hugh 10. Fs. "

                                    Vera

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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                      I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

                                      Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

                                      Just parking this as a possible

                                      1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

                                      Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
                                      Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
                                      Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
                                      Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
                                      Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
                                      Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

                                      A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

                                      Living at haven't a clue

                                      1841 Llangonyd
                                      Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
                                      Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
                                      Elizabeth 9. "
                                      Rachel 7. "
                                      Mary 4. "
                                      Margaret 2. "

                                      In the same area
                                      Thomas 12 Fs. bic
                                      Hugh 10. Fs. "

                                      Vera
                                      Not got any thoughts on it yet, will maybe look at map...

                                      1851 findmypast has attempted at Llandilo for Rees birth town
                                      and living at Llest Nanty Raval, Langonoyd Higher, Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales

                                      Birth towns it has:
                                      Elizabeth Llanrithan
                                      Thomas Llangyfelach
                                      the other 2 children birth town is where they are living
                                      Carolyn
                                      Family Tree site

                                      Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                                      Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                                        I tried a different way. Concentrated on the Mary assuming Rees. Looked for Mary b around 1841 from what looks liked Llangynyd, Brecon in the 1871. Couldn't see a Llangynyd only Llangynwyd Glam.

                                        Browsed 1851. Lots of Puddlers and Iron Miners. Not many Rees families and on!y two with a Mary. Loads of marriages on Ancestry.

                                        Just parking this as a possible

                                        1851 Llangynwyd, Glam

                                        Rees, Rees 59 Ag Lab b Carmarthen
                                        Elizabeth 56 b Llanrid??? Glam
                                        Thomas 24 Iron Miner b Llangy???? Glam
                                        Hugh 21 Iron Miner b Llang?? Glam
                                        Mary 15 b Llang?? G!am
                                        Margaret 12 b Llang?? Glam

                                        A Rachel aged 17 is a Servant to Farmer Living in same area

                                        Living at haven't a clue

                                        1841 Llangonyd
                                        Rees, Rees 45+/- Ag lab nbic
                                        Elizabeth 40 +/- bic
                                        Elizabeth 9. "
                                        Rachel 7. "
                                        Mary 4. "
                                        Margaret 2. "

                                        In the same area
                                        Thomas 12 Fs. bic
                                        Hugh 10. Fs. "

                                        Vera
                                        I spent a long time yesterday googling the town Mary was supposedly born in according to the 1871 census because I was confused why it says Brecknock when the only Llangynyd I could find was in Glam. So that's another mystery. I found this marriage for John and Mary:
                                        ​​​​​​https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discovery...=successSource
                                        but couldn't make out where John was from, the word makes no sense to me. I don't know though. I'll look in to the Mary you've found and see where it leads, thank you!

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                                        • #40
                                          Will put up some Links

                                          think it's Tregibbon. Can see also Tre-Gibbon

                                          Vera

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