Where do I start researching my Great Grandfather

[mmarksx19]

Quick update - I have been informed that Sarah Marks (Simeons daughter whom he lived with at the time of his death) will is on its way to me as are the naturalizations papers for Simon (though still not sure it is the same Simon/Simeon Marks).
I contacted the cemetery where Simon and Amelia are buried but they said they didn't have any other information and wouldn't take photos of the gravestones for me.

Once I am allowed to travel (after all the lockdown shenanigans) I will go over to the Failsworth cemetery and look at the 2 gravestones. They may well (either in English or Hebrew) contain further information for me.

[mmarksx19]

I was hoping that a few more may have had wills, but can't see any.

How far have you got with Amelia's tree, I don't think it is likely that is will help you with Simeon, but I would do each of the siblings from on line records, you never know, and he did live with them all, maybe an odd record that says something. Maybe a will as so cheap, if any did them. If you look at some of the posts on here some wills have loads to read, others have pretty much nothing!

Amelias tree is quite comprehensive - I think my MyHeritage tree is public. Awaiting the Wills and the naturalization papers (although they may be for a different Simon/Simeon Marks).

I contacted the cemetery for photos of the gravestones (Simon and Amelia) but they weren't willing to help. Once lockdown is eased I will drive over to Manchester and take the pictures myself.

[cbcarolyn]

I was hoping that a few more may have had wills, but can't see any.

How far have you got with Amelia's tree, I don't think it is likely that is will help you with Simeon, but I would do each of the siblings from on line records, you never know, and he did live with them all, maybe an odd record that says something. Maybe a will as so cheap, if any did them. If you look at some of the posts on here some wills have loads to read, others have pretty much nothing!

[mmarksx19]

Mark, make sure you have the correct tab selected at the top of the search. It catches everyone out as it is defaulted to dates after 1996.
Anne

Aha! Caught out! Now selected and will ordered.

[Katarzyna]

You need to choose 1858-1996 tab and enter segal and 1982 . Sarah is top of 2nd column.

[Anne in Carlisle]

Mark, make sure you have the correct tab selected at the top of the search. It catches everyone out as it is defaulted to dates after 1996.
Anne

[mmarksx19]

here is info


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

When I put these details in, it tells me there are no records?

[PhotoFamily]

You might consider joining one of ftDNA's "projects". The project administrators are volunteers with interests in their particular area. They can be quite helpful in providing guidance about what to test and what the results mean. There are several projects that are listed when you search for "Jewish", this one seems the most broad. You could contact the admin directly thru the email provided.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/jewish-dna-project/about

[PhotoFamily]

As an update - I have uploaded my DNA to Ancestry, myheritage, gedmatch, familytreeDNA and livingDNA.

So, three types of DNA used in genealogy -
autosomal DNA or atDNA. This is tested by AncestryDNA and MyHeritage; it is the familytreeDNA test called "FamilyFinder"; it is also tested at 23andme and LivingDNA; it is what you upload to gedmatch. It is excellent for finding cousins across mixed-gender lines, usually best within 5 generations, tho there are matches made with that are more distant than that.

Y-DNA - tests only the DNA that is part of a man's Y chromosome. Y chrom is passed from father to son usually without change. While LivingDNA and 23andme will give you the broad haplogroup, it requires detailed testing such as done at ftDNA and ?yseq? to make significant matching to other Y-DNA kits. Y-DNA testing might give you the surname common to your group.

Wheaton's beginner's guide probably provides better info!
https://sites.google.com/site/wheato...the-y-part-one

Finally, and not part of what you are seeking, is
Mitochondrial DNA or mtDNA. Passed from mothers totheir children (male or female). mtDNA changes so slowly that it is generally not very useful for genetic genealogy.

[cbcarolyn]

here is info

There is a Sarah Segal death with same DoB as 1939 reg in sefton, will as follows:

probate segal.JPG

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

[cbcarolyn]

it was Sarah they are only £1.50

[mmarksx19]

did you get the will?

Good news you found the papers, what date were they?

Missed the will bit - I will back track and find out how to get it.
I THINK the naturlaization papers are for the correct person - once they arrive I will know better.

[cbcarolyn]

did you get the will?

Good news you found the papers, what date were they?

[mmarksx19]

mmarksx19 As noted in another section - familytreeDNA.com now has its Y-DNA testing on sale. Y-DNA testing might give you a surname. Autosomal testing would be better for identifying closer relatives. Usual recommended progression for autosomal testing: Test at AncestryDNA, migrate to Gedmatch &/or FamilytreeDNA &/or MyHeritage &/or LivingDNA. Migrations are low cost or even no cost compared to testing. Test separately at 23andme (they don't accept outside testing results). Each company has its own database to "fish" in, tho there's a lot of overlap.

There's also a German company that does Y-DNA testing. It does its own testing. Not sure if you can migrate results between the German company and ftDNA. I think (think!) the German company is Yseq.com.

As an update - I have uploaded my DNA to Ancestry, myheritage, gedmatch, familytreeDNA and livingDNA.
I am awaiting the (hopefully) correct citizenship papers for Simon/Simeon and am trying to get a photograph of his and his wifes graves which may include more information.

I will let you know when I progress! Many, many thanks for all your advice and help so far. I wouldn't have got this far without it.

Michael

[GallowayLass]

PhotoFamily Sage advice there

[PhotoFamily]

mmarksx19 As noted in another section - familytreeDNA.com now has its Y-DNA testing on sale. Y-DNA testing might give you a surname. Autosomal testing would be better for identifying closer relatives. Usual recommended progression for autosomal testing: Test at AncestryDNA, migrate to Gedmatch &/or FamilytreeDNA &/or MyHeritage &/or LivingDNA. Migrations are low cost or even no cost compared to testing. Test separately at 23andme (they don't accept outside testing results). Each company has its own database to "fish" in, tho there's a lot of overlap.

There's also a German company that does Y-DNA testing. It does its own testing. Not sure if you can migrate results between the German company and ftDNA. I think (think!) the German company is Yseq.com.

[GallowayLass]

https://www.fhf-reallyuseful.com/speakers/

This online family history conference might be worth you spending the £7 fee. There are all kinds of talks and two of them are of great interest to you.

Tracing Immigrant Ancestors up to World War II (Sue Gibbons FSG)

An Introduction to Jewish Genealogy Sources and Resources (Jeanette Rosenberg OBE)

[PhotoFamily]

If he got married in the UK (and I got a copy of his marriage certificate which I posted previously), would he not have needed to have been naturalized?

No. I've had US citizens residing in the UK who were married there. They were not military peeps either.

[mmarksx19]

If he got married in the UK (and I got a copy of his marriage certificate which I posted previously), would he not have needed to have been naturalized?

[Katarzyna]

cbcarolyn This is from Individual Electoral Registration FAQ's
This now, not back in 1929. The householder does/did fill in the persons in the household who were of an age to vote. Perhaps Henry filled in his parents names not realising that they were not eligible.

ER.JPG

Edit. re post #19 The naturalisation records on TNA are not digitised so cannot be downloaded for free hence the £30 fee.