Carlisle and Cumberland lookups offered

[Judith54]

Thanks Anne - Hope you have had as good a day up there as we've had in Gloucetsershire. Judith

[Anne in Carlisle]

LOL! The Armstrongs are always a problem around the border area!!! I'll look for them next time I go to the Archive
Anne

[Judith54]

Bewcastle PR

Hello again

I presume that Bewcastle PRs are also held at Carlisle. If you are able I would appreciate look-ups for the following:-

1) John Armstrong senior (2xGtGrandfather) is another Armstrong brickwall especially being named John. According to the 1851-1891c he came from Bewcastle but lived with wife & family in and around Lanercost (where his wife came from and where they married 26/1/1833). I believe John was born c1806 but don't know about his parents. His 2 eldest legitimate sons were called William and John, the eldest 2 daughters were Jane & Ann. John's wife Isabella, was also an Armstrong and she had an illegitimate son Joseph born 3yrs before she & John married - I've no idea of Joseph's fathers name - all I know is that he was baptised 26/11/1829 at Lanercost. Isabella's parents were William & Ann.

2) Thomas Armstrong (4xGtGrandfather) was the Grandfather of Isabella - I believe he married Isobel Story in 1771 in Bewcastle. Both possibly from Bewcastle. Any info re the birth of Thomas c1735 & Isobel c1750, confirmation of their marriage and details of any of their children would be much appreciated.

Reading the above I hope I haven't asked for too much especially as the timescale stretches nearly 75yrs! I am extremely grateful, & over the moon, with the information that you have already given me re John's son John & his family in Lanercost but won't presume that you are abe to assist me with any or part of this.

Judith

[Anne in Carlisle]

Messages sent. I would be grateful if you could let me know you have them because there was a bit of trouble with the site as I was posting them.
Anne

[Anne in Carlisle]

Went to the Archives this morning with mixed results. Will send each of you (Meridian Line, vronlady and Judith54) a private message when I get the stuff typed up.
Anne

[Anne in Carlisle]

Wow - I go on holiday for a couple of weeks and find loads of interesting stuff to look for when I get back! Sorry for the delay folks. I'll get to it as soon as I can, maybe next week when the pile of washing and ironing has gone down!
Anne

[Judith54]

Hi Anne
If the Lanercost records are at Carlisle I would love info regarding the following members of my Armstrong family - 1860-1900
John Armstrong c1837 - parents John + Isabella nee Armstrong. John snr + jnr were both joiners of Lees Hill
John jnr married Hannah Fleming in 1883, he was a widower and she was a spinster - however I have never been able to find any info re John's first marriage.
On the 1861c he was living with parents on 1881c he was shown as a widower living with nephew, housekeeper Hannah Fleming and her daughter Margaret. Margaret was born 10/2/1881 but no father on birth certificate - I wonder if her baptism record might show the father (as some did)
John & Hannah had 10 children, that I know of, but for 4 of them I have very little detail Jane c1885, Ann Elizabeth c1887, John c1889 died 1891 & Hannah c1891 died 1898
(their other children are Isabella, Mary, Annie, John-1896, Sarah Elizabeth & Mabel)
What I'm looking for are:-
i) details from Margaret Flemings baptiism record - born 10/2/1881
ii) details of John's first marriage
iii) info regarding John+Hannah's 4 children - Jane, Ann Elizabeth, John & Hannah & any other children you may come across!
Hope I haven't asked for too much
Judith in Gloucestershire

[vronlady]

i wonderd if you would be so kind as to do a look up for me whenever you are next at the records office
3rd g grandmother dinah carr has four children
mary carr 1817
agnes carr 1819
hannah carr 1824
elizabeth carr 1826.

cumbria records office tells me that there is no father mentioned on any of the baptisms of the children so that is a dead end there .
Elizabeth carr on marriage names isaac carr as father but i can find no trace of him anywhere in area.

i can find no record of dinah carr herself either . on later census she puts down born conniston in 1793. she marries john denney on 13 march 1830 and i wondered if ther was any useful information on this marriage record as to her father etc or a baptism record for her.

[Meridian Line]

Hi Anne,
next time you go could you have a look at a Carlisle will for me please;
1814; Margaret Armstrong , married woman, Newton's Hall, Lanercost AB

I think the AB means it's not a full will. I've got her burial as 9th May 1814 and she was 83, so I'm not sure if she was married or a widow. I'm trying to see if there is a conection to my Highmores/Hymoors, as they were at Newton's Hall at that time, in particular Theodosia Hymoor died there September 1814, & I have got a couple of Armstrong/Highmore marriages.

Theodosia's father was John Fidler & he died at Newton's Hall April 1796. There is a will of John Fidler of Whitrigg Hall at Carlisle in 1797, if you get a chance could you just have a look at that, I don't think it's my John Fidler, but you never know.

Many thanks.....I'm not in any hurry, so just next time you're there would be great.

[Richard]

Hello Brian

That is very interesting. The family seems to have mostly gone with Clemetson/Clementson on records, but I have seen them recorded as Clemitson, and even once as Clempson with my branch that moved down to London. A reflection no doubt of how they pronounced it!

Regards

Richard

[BrianT]

Anne & Richard,
As a Cumbrian child I recall "Clemmisons" living just west of Carlisle.
I never saw it written down but that's certainly how my parents pronounced it. Could it be a corruption of your Clementsons?

Brian

[Richard]

Thank you Anne, have sent you an email. Regards Richard

[Anne in Carlisle]

Richard. Got some more Clementson burials from Whitehaven and also a memorial inscription from Isel. Sending you an email.

Anyone else need any lookups? It only takes me 8 minutes to get to the Archive!

Anne

[GallowayLass]

Have got your email Anne, many thanks for looking this up for mre

[Anne in Carlisle]

Just a quick post to say that I have discovered that all the Cumberland records are on microfilm at Carlisle. Their rather confusing website meant to say that the actual books for West Cumbria are kept at Whitehaven.

About to send you some more Clementsons, Richard!

Anne

[Anne in Carlisle]

No Problem! I'll PM you my email address and you can send me some notes I can take with me next time I go to the Archive.

Anne

[GallowayLass]

Could you please help with a birth date 1890 or 1891 of Hannah Elizabeth Charters born Brigham, Cockermouth and the deaths of both her and her Scottish spouse William Wallace (don't laugh LOL). All I know is they were deceased by 1949, the year of the marriage of a daughter of theirs in Dumfries. Also the birth date of the said daughter but I'd have to pm her name as I think she's still alive in a nursing home. She suffers from dementia and was married to a late uncle of mine. They had no children.

[Richard]

Terrific, Thank you Anne, have sent you a PM.

[Anne in Carlisle]

Hi Richard. Managed to get to the Archives at last. I have a list of CLEMENTSON (and variants) at Isel. PM me you email address and I'll send them to you.

Anne

[Richard]

Thanks L, two there are definite relations, and a couple of maybes. Much appreciated.