Gretna green wedding causing issues!

[queenbee]

Thanks so much for taking the time and trouble to look GallowayLass

and where is he indeed! I have only been able to find his name on the marriage certificate- that's it!

[GallowayLass]

I see from your post Family History Memorabilia that there are Calvers in Elizabeth’s family. Have you ever entered as much as you know about her and the Lockley family from UK censuses on the Lost Cousins website?
You could be related to Peter Calver who runs the site. It’s worth a go if you haven’t already as his site highlights people who have entered the same names and details on censuses as others have and lets researchers contact each other.

[cbcarolyn]

Elizabeth was from Eye in Suffolk not from Scotland, not sure where Scotland has come from? is it from the possible 1851 census?

[teasie]

A bit of a long shot, but the marriage says Anthony resided in Maryport, Cumberland, which is a coastal town overlooking the Irish Sea.

FmP's record set Ireland Merchant Navy Crew Lists has an 1866 record of an Anthony Lockey aged 41 (born c1825) of Waterford, Ireland, aboard the ship Gipsy. Also on the same ship in 1875. It looks like it sailed regularly between Waterford & Bristol, and Waterford & Liverpool.

Other records include an 1853 Seamans Ticket for Anthony Locky of Waterford, aged 28 (born c1826), and records under the surname Lackey that look likely to be him.

He died in Waterford in 1893

[teasie]

Just checking the papers, and there are records of the ship Gipsy being around Maryport, for example: Dublin Daily Express 17 Nov 1855 under the heading Entered Inwards Coastwise' "Gipsy, Harrington".

Harrington is about 8 miles along the coast from Maryport.

[cbcarolyn]

A bit of a long shot, but the marriage says Anthony resided in Maryport, Cumberland, which is a coastal town overlooking the Irish Sea.

FmP's record set Ireland Merchant Navy Crew Lists has an 1866 record of an Anthony Lockey aged 41 (born c1825) of Waterford, Ireland, aboard the ship Gipsy. Also on the same ship in 1875. It looks like it sailed regularly between Waterford & Bristol, and Waterford & Liverpool.

Other records include an 1853 Seamans Ticket for Anthony Locky of Waterford, aged 28 (born c1826), and records under the surname Lackey that look likely to be him.

He died in Waterford in 1893

good find, I did wonder if he was as seaman, not realised those records were on FMP, another thing learnt.

[GallowayLass]

I had a look on irishgenealogy.ie for any Anthony died in Waterford in 1893. This is the only one I found. Anthony LOQUAY aged 80, a tailor married to Hannah who was informant. That makes birth year c1812/13 so not likely the right man?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....08/4710113.pdf

[GallowayLass]

The birth certificate for James when it arrives should help to clear up his father’s forename and occupation.
Does it say an occupation for Elizabeth on the 2 censuses where she was listed as married? eg. seaman’s wife or whatever?

[queenbee]

1861 she is a dressmaker (hammersmith)
1871 nurse. (Brighton - visitor)
1881 dressmaker (hammersmith)

It's really looking like it was a whirlwind romance with Anthony and they didn't see each other again as she returns south. Being in either London or Sussex for the above census.

But close to water each time.....

[queenbee]

My husband will LOVE having a direct Irish ancestor if things go that way! He's a musician who plays lots of Irish folk music

[Darksecretz]

ooh you might want to contact yummy-mummy-amy she has Lackeys in her tree and I think that they also come from Ireland. it might be that Anthony is a connection to her.

[queenbee]

The plot thickens..... James' bcc landes in my mail box this morning. Father is......

Charles Lockley, ironfounders clerk from Ipswich!!!!

So Anthony only appears in Gretna Green and no where else.

so who is Charles??

[GallowayLass]

Oh flipping heck! If that is true then the seafaring occupation theory Ireland-Cumbria is probably a red herring - or maybe I should have said wild goose chase .

Does that occupation fit with what is on James’ marriage certificate?

[Darksecretz]

The plot thickens..... James' bcc landes in my mail box this morning. Father is......

Charles Lockley, ironfounders clerk from Ipswich!!!!

So Anthony only appears in Gretna Green and no where else.

so who is Charles??

it might be that Elizabeth had a bit of a fling with Charles whilst Anthony away at sea?

[queenbee]

Unhelpfully he's deceased on the marriage cert in 1875!!

But finding the positive, I'm more confident that Charles is the father and not Anthony (they could still be the same person though). But Elizabeth got up to something naughty in 1855 :D

she married 16th April and had a baby 12 Dec - I make that 8 months........

[queenbee]

it might be that Elizabeth had a bit of a fling with Charles whilst Anthony away at sea?

She definitely did 'something'!!!

[queenbee]

Widowed by 1871 census. In 1861 she is a visitor on census night which indicates she's away from her 'home'.

No Charles lockley deaths in Suffolk for the period, but 5 for the whole country. If the spelling didn't get messed with.

[Darksecretz]

hmmmm what if Anthony was already married away in Ireland and to save face when James asked about his dad she 'made up' Charles ironfounders clerk? has hubby done a DNA test? that might be an avenue to explore.

[GallowayLass]

Unhelpfully he's deceased on the marriage cert in 1875!!

But finding the positive, I'm more confident that Charles is the father and not Anthony (they could still be the same person though). But Elizabeth got up to something naughty in 1855 :D

she married 16th April and had a baby 12 Dec - I make that 8 months........

Yep! A baby on the way was obviously the need for the marriage but who really was the Daddy?? If there were two Lockley men, all we’ve got at the moment is it’s one of “Team Chant” - if I may borrow a celebrity style naming convention.

[teasie]

I had a look on irishgenealogy.ie for any Anthony died in Waterford in 1893. This is the only one I found. Anthony LOQUAY aged 80, a tailor married to Hannah who was informant. That makes birth year c1812/13 so not likely the right man?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....08/4710113.pdf

The burial record I was looking at says Anthony Lockey aged 66 buried 2 Feb 1893 at St Otteran's Burial Ground, Waterford. Died in Hospital, but I can't quite make out which one.

ADDED: Just realised its a moot point now anyway!