She'd moved to Newcastle upon Tyne by 1881
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I can see the NUT connection and the constant record of Wolverhampton with no variation of Town or Village. I'm a Tynesider from further along the River. Think the birth to Jane a good possible. Will look to see if I can find anything on her.
Nothing coming up for Amelia which from experience with my family could be Emilia, Emily
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI can see the NUT connection and the constant record of Wolverhampton with no variation of Town or Village. I'm a Tynesider from further along the River. Think the birth to Jane a good possible. Will look to see if I can find anything on her.
Nothing coming up for Amelia which from experience with my family could be Emilia, Emily
VeraBarbara
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and I guess if Maria was Anne Maria, then Amelia could even be a middle name.
You have some BCs? what were the addresses on them? maybe worth sharing some of the info so that we can dismiss too.
For each of the BCs did you find corresponding census etc for parents/child?
If Jane was to be correct unmarried mother, then William on Marriage cert is wrong/made up, or she doesn't know maybe.
Where was marriage in Newcastle, have you tried newspapers for any reports? Guess any family member such as an aunt wouldn't have gone anyway :(
We need that time machine againCarolyn
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Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Bc's
Anne daughter of Jane Rowley 9th Jan 1863 Wednesfield. Informant was Catherine Rowley of Rookery Street, Wednesfield . No father named
Annie Maria daughter of Jane Rowley 5th November 1861 Madeley. Informant was Jane Rowley. No father given
Ann Rowley 1st September 1861 Rookery Street Wednesfield daughter of Reuben Rowley and Fanny Rowley formerly Reece
Frances Ann 23rd December 1861 Tettenhall daughter of Francis and Harriet Rowley, formerly Jones
I can't remember now if I ever did manage to track any of them forward, even though I do remember it being suggested to me in the very early days of me researching
Barbara
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Just looked at a Jane Rowley 1861
Jane Rowley unmarried servant b 1839 Ashley, Staffs
Working for farmer William Thomas Smith Anc EDIT Swift FMP unmarried b 1821 Standon, Staffs
Another employee b Maer
living Watford, Standon, Stone, Staffs
In 1851 can see Jane Rowley b 1846 Bilston mother Mary mn Griffiths f John. Phoebe Riley who was with Maria Rowley 8 was also mn Griffiths f John. Different mothers though ? Cousins.
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Looking further at Jane Rowley the unmarried general servant in the 1861, can see her linked to a family father Edward a Tailor b Cheshire mother Hannah. Jane b Ashley
A Jane Rowley marries a James Salter on FMP other transcriptions Tatler in 1875 at Butterton. Jane's father Edward a Tailor. James Salter a Widower. Both full age.
​​​​​​On 1881 they are in Newcastle under Lyme
Tatler, James 4? B? Labourer
Tatler, Jane 40 B Ashley
Tatler Mary A 19 from James' previous marriage
Tatler, Sarah J 15. ". ". "
Rowley, Hannah 14 step daughter b Maer, Newcastle
Tatler, Henry 4 B Newcast!e
Tatler, Elizabeth 2 b Newcastle
Tatler, William 5 months b Newcastle****
Living 74 High??land, Newcastle under Lyme
***On the 1891 he is William T Rowley Grandson aged 10
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostJust looked at a Jane Rowley 1861
Jane Rowley unmarried servant b 1839 Ashley, Staffs
Working for farmer William Thomas Smith unmarried b 1821 Standon, Staffs
Another employee b Maer
living Watford, Standon, Stone, Staffs
In 1851 can see Jane Rowley b 1846 Bilston mother Mary mn Griffiths f John. Phoebe Riley who was with Maria Rowley 8 was also mn Griffiths f John. Different mothers though ? Cousins.
Vera
Mary Griffiths daughter of John and Sarah was baptised in Bilston in 1817 so probably John's sister
Mary Griffiths married Joseph Rowley - and amongst other children they had daughter Jane born 1846 Bilston
so yes - Phebe and Jane were cousinsBarbara
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EDIT. Meant to say 'no need for sorry' before Barbara I have plenty of time, retired and hiding from that thing.
Will just leave this thought with you for when you have a minute! I'm wondering if grandson in 1881 and 1891 b 1880 ie William Thomas Rowley may be connected to your Annie Maria? He is on GRO with no mmn.
Vera
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Sorry got lost on post 28 are Jane and Phoebe in same household, I can't find the census :(
looks like the BC is the correct one, that is good news.Carolyn
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Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostSorry got lost on post 28 are Jane and Phoebe in same household, I can't find the census :(
looks like the BC is the correct one, that is good news.
vera2013 I'm still investigating William 1880Barbara
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