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    #21
    She'd moved to Newcastle upon Tyne by 1881
    Barbara

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      #22
      Thanks Vera. Yes I have got the mc
      Barbara

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        #23
        I can see the NUT connection and the constant record of Wolverhampton with no variation of Town or Village. I'm a Tynesider from further along the River. Think the birth to Jane a good possible. Will look to see if I can find anything on her.

        Nothing coming up for Amelia which from experience with my family could be Emilia, Emily

        Vera

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          #24
          Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
          I can see the NUT connection and the constant record of Wolverhampton with no variation of Town or Village. I'm a Tynesider from further along the River. Think the birth to Jane a good possible. Will look to see if I can find anything on her.

          Nothing coming up for Amelia which from experience with my family could be Emilia, Emily

          Vera
          Thank you
          Barbara

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            #25
            and I guess if Maria was Anne Maria, then Amelia could even be a middle name.

            You have some BCs? what were the addresses on them? maybe worth sharing some of the info so that we can dismiss too.

            For each of the BCs did you find corresponding census etc for parents/child?

            If Jane was to be correct unmarried mother, then William on Marriage cert is wrong/made up, or she doesn't know maybe.

            Where was marriage in Newcastle, have you tried newspapers for any reports? Guess any family member such as an aunt wouldn't have gone anyway :(

            We need that time machine again
            Carolyn
            Family Tree site

            Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
            Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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              #26
              Mc witnesses were Peter Wilson and Jane Softley. I haven't come across any connections to either of them

              Bride and groom both gave an address of 9 Maple Street, Newcastle. Married on 3rd December 1881 in Newcastle upon Tyne registry office

              Groom was John Robson

              Barbara

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                #27
                Bc's

                Anne daughter of Jane Rowley 9th Jan 1863 Wednesfield. Informant was Catherine Rowley of Rookery Street, Wednesfield . No father named

                Annie Maria daughter of Jane Rowley 5th November 1861 Madeley. Informant was Jane Rowley. No father given

                Ann Rowley 1st September 1861 Rookery Street Wednesfield daughter of Reuben Rowley and Fanny Rowley formerly Reece

                Frances Ann 23rd December 1861 Tettenhall daughter of Francis and Harriet Rowley, formerly Jones

                I can't remember now if I ever did manage to track any of them forward, even though I do remember it being suggested to me in the very early days of me researching


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                  #28
                  Just looked at a Jane Rowley 1861

                  Jane Rowley unmarried servant b 1839 Ashley, Staffs

                  Working for farmer William Thomas Smith Anc EDIT Swift FMP unmarried b 1821 Standon, Staffs

                  Another employee b Maer

                  living Watford, Standon, Stone, Staffs

                  In 1851 can see Jane Rowley b 1846 Bilston mother Mary mn Griffiths f John. Phoebe Riley who was with Maria Rowley 8 was also mn Griffiths f John. Different mothers though ? Cousins.

                  Vera

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                    #29
                    Now that is interesting. and definitely worth me pursuing further

                    Thank you again

                    Barbara

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                      #30
                      Looking further at Jane Rowley the unmarried general servant in the 1861, can see her linked to a family father Edward a Tailor b Cheshire mother Hannah. Jane b Ashley

                      A Jane Rowley marries a James Salter on FMP other transcriptions Tatler in 1875 at Butterton. Jane's father Edward a Tailor. James Salter a Widower. Both full age.

                      ​​​​​​On 1881 they are in Newcastle under Lyme

                      Tatler, James 4? B? Labourer
                      Tatler, Jane 40 B Ashley

                      Tatler Mary A 19 from James' previous marriage
                      Tatler, Sarah J 15. ". ". "

                      Rowley, Hannah 14 step daughter b Maer, Newcastle

                      Tatler, Henry 4 B Newcast!e
                      Tatler, Elizabeth 2 b Newcastle
                      Tatler, William 5 months b Newcastle****

                      Living 74 High??land, Newcastle under Lyme

                      ***On the 1891 he is William T Rowley Grandson aged 10

                      Vera

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                        #31
                        Thanks again Vera

                        Sorry I've not been around much today- full time workand doctors appointment keeping me occupied


                        Barbara

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                          #32
                          Originally posted by vera2013 View Post
                          Just looked at a Jane Rowley 1861

                          Jane Rowley unmarried servant b 1839 Ashley, Staffs

                          Working for farmer William Thomas Smith unmarried b 1821 Standon, Staffs

                          Another employee b Maer

                          living Watford, Standon, Stone, Staffs

                          In 1851 can see Jane Rowley b 1846 Bilston mother Mary mn Griffiths f John. Phoebe Riley who was with Maria Rowley 8 was also mn Griffiths f John. Different mothers though ? Cousins.

                          Vera
                          Phebe was the daughter of John Griffiths baptised 1811 in Bilston parents John and Sarah
                          Mary Griffiths daughter of John and Sarah was baptised in Bilston in 1817 so probably John's sister
                          Mary Griffiths married Joseph Rowley - and amongst other children they had daughter Jane born 1846 Bilston

                          so yes - Phebe and Jane were cousins
                          Barbara

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                            #33
                            EDIT. Meant to say 'no need for sorry' before Barbara I have plenty of time, retired and hiding from that thing.

                            Will just leave this thought with you for when you have a minute! I'm wondering if grandson in 1881 and 1891 b 1880 ie William Thomas Rowley may be connected to your Annie Maria? He is on GRO with no mmn.


                            Vera

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                              #34
                              Sorry got lost on post 28 are Jane and Phoebe in same household, I can't find the census :(

                              looks like the BC is the correct one, that is good news.
                              Carolyn
                              Family Tree site

                              Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
                              Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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                                #35
                                Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
                                Sorry got lost on post 28 are Jane and Phoebe in same household, I can't find the census :(

                                looks like the BC is the correct one, that is good news.
                                Phebe was the lady of the house on the census where I was looking at Maria and Amelia. Her mmn was Griffiths. Vera found a Jane Rowley mmn Griffiths but as they didn't look like sisters she wondered if they could be cousins

                                vera2013 I'm still investigating William 1880
                                Barbara

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