James Jack Esq. Glasgow

[rankpin]

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Hi again everybody.

I have found the time to do a bit of research into the Jack Family and i have posted a link containing the marriage certificate of Cecilia Jack, it says the Registration district is Calton which is in Glasgow. Her Father, James Jack is deceased at the time of marriage (19th May 1856). So he has died somewhere between 1848 and 1856. I hope this information helps someone help me.

Thanks again.

[GallowayLass]

Try this death too. Only match for a Thomas born 1824 +/-2 in Lanarkshire.

Beyond that, I have to admit, I’m stumped for more ideas.

Surname JACK
Forename THOMAS
Age at death 78
Mother's Maiden Name
Year 1901
Ref 560/ 36
RD Name Cathcart (Lanark)

[GallowayLass]

I checked for 1855 marriages of Jack both m/f in Glasgow City and the only two that had forenames that match with the baptism list in post #3 are these two. It might be something or nothing but worth checking to see father’s details.
There are no deaths in 1855 to fit the James Jack that I think he is.
I have a sinking feeling that if we have the correct James, he died between 1851 and 1854 so no certificate available.

Surname
JACK
Forename
JANET
Spouse Surname
DOWNIE
Spouse Forename
WILLIAM
Year
1855
Ref
644/2 418
RD Name
High Church

Surname
JACK
Forename
JANET
Spouse Surname
TAYLOR
Spouse Forename
ARCHIBALD
Year
1855
Ref
644/1 381
RD Name
Glasgow Central District

[rankpin]

I have checked ancestry census transcription for 1841 for whole of Scotland and I haven’t found a James Jack of any age whose occupation is steward, land*, bail* (bailiff/baillie etc.) or factor.

That’s interesting, it’s just so frustrating that he is such a mystery. I already checked the marriages for other jacks born in Ireland and their father is not James jack. I will go onto SP and see what I can find out.

[GallowayLass]

I have checked ancestry census transcription for 1841 for whole of Scotland and I haven’t found a James Jack of any age whose occupation is steward, land*, bail* (bailiff/baillie etc.) or factor.

[GallowayLass]

Check out the Marianne marriage that Kat found in post #45. It could be the eldest daughter Marion baptised 1819 from the list in post #3.
Let us know if that makes things clearer or not.

[GallowayLass]

Seems to be. When I searched for baptisms for a Margaret Jack in Lanarkshire 1820-1825 with a father called James, there was only one match. I chose Lanarkshire rather than just Glasgow City in case she had been born outwith the then city boundary. There were no entries at all for other Presbyterian churches nor for Roman Catholic ones. Not that she would likely have been RC given the marriage rites being United Church of England and Ireland but I thought I’d better double check.
Granted not all other Presbyterian church records have survived/been deposited as the should have been but assuming that the family were the Established Church ie. Church of Scotland, you can be as certain as it’s possible to be that your Margaret’s parents were James Jack and Ann Bowman.
Did you look at Cecilia’s 1856 marriage to see if her father was alive or dead? That cert will also give an occupation for her father and name her mother. The bride’s address will hopefully be the family home. Check out the witnesses as well in case they prove to be significant later.

[Katarzyna]

There is this marriage for another Jack in Strabane, Derry.
Do you think it might be worth looking at this one?
Name MARIANNE JACK
Date of Event 1847
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Strabane
Returns Year 1847
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 10
Returns Page No 271

PRONI has these:
M/1847/Z1/2281/1/14 Mary Jack to McShea 17th June 1847 Strabane
also:
M/1848/J1/939/1/52 Mary Jack to McFerran 8th November 1848 Carrickfergus



I don't think you can assume you have the right James Jack yet - as Jay says . Steward or Carter???

These marriages are not near Margaret's in Londonderry. I think you need to search Scotlands People to see if you can find any of her siblings marriages there first to rule them out.

[rankpin]

Yes, I can see it.

That's great, you have all been really helpful. On the marriage certificate, Margaret has a home address of Ballintemple which is near Garvagh, Co. Londonderry, maybe she was staying with a relative or maybe her Father was over temporarily to check up on things. Do you think the James Jack who married Ann Bowman is the correct man ?

Thanks again.

[GallowayLass]

https://paste.pics/d1d7d75461e9b9542e46b9d799549e4f

Here is the link to the marriage certificate. Hopefully you guys can access it.

Yes, I can see it.

[rankpin]

https://paste.pics/d1d7d75461e9b9542e46b9d799549e4f

Here is the link to the marriage certificate. Hopefully you guys can access it.

[rankpin]

The posting permissions section of my profile says i'm not allowed to post attachments. I can email the screenshot to you guys if you send me your email address via private message ? Thanks, again.

[Olde Crone Holden]

Esq is merely a written honorific, used where the writer does not know the social/professional standing of the person and does not wish to give offence. Exactly what a newspaper might do. It doesn't have any other significance in that situation.

OC

[Janet in Yorkshire]

It’s a little confusing, he seems like the correct person. However, on the marriage cert for Leslie and Margaret it says James jack was a steward, that usually means land steward or maybe ship steward.

A land steward would match up with the title of esquire. I’m also curious as to how Margaret ended up in Ireland, I can’t tell if she came with family or on her own accord ?

See my post #29
IF James Jack was a land steward, in the employ of a wealthy Scottish landowner, then it is quite possible that the same land owner also had property in Ireland, to which his steward travelled from time to time. This COULD have been how his daughter met and married someone from Ireland.
At that time Ireland was part of the UK; many land/property links between Scotland and Ulster, of which Co Londonderry was a part.

Jay

[Katarzyna]

Can you put up a screenshot of the parish record?

[rankpin]

Yes, it does still exist, both bride and groom signed their own names. The witnesses were a Robert Robertson and a John someone, cant decipher the second name, but definitely not Jack.

[GallowayLass]

Does the parish register still exist? Quite often the bride’s father was one of the witnesses.

[rankpin]

It’s a little confusing, he seems like the correct person. However, on the marriage cert for Leslie and Margaret it says James jack was a steward, that usually means land steward or maybe ship steward.

A land steward would match up with the title of esquire. I’m also curious as to how Margaret ended up in Ireland, I can’t tell if she came with family or on her own accord ?

[kylejustin]

Suppose margaret could have said he was an esquire? Maybe she didn't know his actual occupation or was bigging him up to impress?

[GallowayLass]

That fits with the baptisms in post #3. Marion was the eldest girl, then Margaret.