James Jack Esq. Glasgow

[rankpin]

Leslie Rankin was a House Carpenter and his Father James Rankin was an architect.

For reference, here's the newspaper announcement from Leslie Rankin's local newspaper in County Londonderry-
Coleraine Chronicle, 22 Sept.1849: Married- At Garvagh, county Derry, on the 8th inst., by the Rev, Mitchell Smyth, Mr. Leslie Rankin, builder, to Margaret, second daughter of James Jack, Esq., Glasgow.

[GallowayLass]

Have worked out what the first word is for Ann’s husband’s occupation. It says “bonded”. He was a Bonded Storekeeper and Carter so he handled the likes of alcohol and tobacco etc. that had customs duties on them. Not just an ordinary shop keeper then. Surely he must have had money to have purchased his own family lair for burials?

[Caroline]

There was a recent statement from SP further clarifying private research use of posting their certs and the upshot is it’s perfectly ok for the likes of forum use like on here etc. They would prefer you to cut off the other certs in the image that are not the one you are wanting to show - as I have done above, the bottom two on the page as missing and also to credit where the image comes from. Their copyright is in the tracings at the top of the image under the name and very number.
No idea why the image will not come up in my post as I downloaded it to my Photos album on the phone and then edited out the bottom two and resaved. Hold till I check what format the file is.

That's good to know.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

in the opening post there is reference to James Jack, "steward". Steward could have been referring to a land steward, bailiff - have a look to see what estates/large farms there were in the relevant area and then see if you can find any appropriate estate records.

Jay

[GallowayLass]

She must have gone out to work or taken a live in position to support herself after she was bereaved.

[Katarzyna]

Record Transcription:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barony, Glasgow Central, Lanarkshire, Scotland


First name(s) Ann
Last name Jack
Relationship Inmate
Marital status Widow
Sex Female
Age 74
Birth year 1787
Occupation Dom Serv
Birth town Glasgow
Birth town as transcribed GLASGOW
Birth county Lanarkshire

[GallowayLass]

Esquire - a polite title appended to a man's name when no other title is used, typically in the address of a letter or other documents.

What were the occupations of Margaret's husband Leslie and that of his father on the marriage certificate?

Ann’s death cert says James was [_?] store keeper and carter. I can’t make out the first word. Perhaps he was highly regarded in the community or thought he was more than plain Mr being a businessman?

Maybe there’s something in the Glasgow Trade Directories?

[GallowayLass]

This one’s definitely a jpeg. Does that show for everyone now?

18E6C86F-A0E4-491D-81F3-AD22C5A8BE8A.jpg

[Katarzyna]

Esquire - a polite title appended to a man's name when no other title is used, typically in the address of a letter or other documents.

What were the occupations of Margaret's husband Leslie and that of his father on the marriage certificate?

[GallowayLass]

There was a recent statement from SP further clarifying private research use of posting their certs and the upshot is it’s perfectly ok for the likes of forum use like on here etc. They would prefer you to cut off the other certs in the image that are not the one you are wanting to show - as I have done above, the bottom two on the page as missing and also to credit where the image comes from. Their copyright is in the tracings at the top of the image under the name and very number.
No idea why the image will not come up in my post as I downloaded it to my Photos album on the phone and then edited out the bottom two and resaved. Hold till I check what format the file is.

[Caroline]

There are currently limits as to what a new member can and cannot do, but actually I can't see the second attachment either ... I will have a look..

If i click on the link I can see it, but I am not sure that Scotland's people allow the copying of their images?

UPDATE: I have had a look and the Copyright policy there is:

All content available on this website

Visitors to this website are granted permission to access this material, to download and copy such material onto electronic, magnetic, optical or similar storage media and to make printed copies of any such downloaded material, provided that such activities and copies are for non-commercial private study and research only.
The only exception to this are record agents working on behalf of clients who may pass content on to their client who in turn is bound by these terms and conditions.

Putting them here is a grey area methinks? It goes on to allow max 20 images per website.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/copyright

[Caroline]

The forum wont let me view any of your attachments. Any idea why ?

There are currently limits as to what a new member can and cannot do, but actually I can't see the second attachment either ... I will have a look..

If i click on the link I can see it, but I am not sure that Scotland's people allow the copying of their images?

[GallowayLass]

Sorry, I don’t know why as I attached them in the usual way. Maybe an admin can help.

[rankpin]

The forum wont let me view any of your attachments. Any idea why ?

[GallowayLass]

Courtesy of ScotlandsPeople

[GallowayLass]

Had some spare credits. The 1855 death sadly is not him but the 1863 one for Ann JACK is his wife. It tells you Cecelia was the informant and her father was already deceased. Cecelia’s surname is now KERR and she married 1856 so you could check that certificate and see if her father was alive or not. That should narrow it down a bit more.
The Mitchell Library in Glasgow would be able to tell you more about Ann as she died in the Govan Poor House. There should be admission records and if you are lucky it might say where she was buried. They should also be able to find out which grave yard she is in from the lair books as they can check the nearest ones for you. There will be charges for the research of course but you can ask for an estimate. Hopefully despite her dying in the Poor House, she was in there for medical care and not totally destitute. Then there would be a chance of a family grave and if they find her, they should also find her husband.

[rankpin]

Thanks for all of this guys, really appreciated. Can a carter have the title of esquire though ? Extra information, Margaret Rankin (Jack) died in Garvagh on 03/06/1867. Are you confident that this is the correct James Jack ?

[GallowayLass]

Ancestry is playing me up at the moment - I put the exact details from your transcript in ancestry and it couldn't find that one on the 1841 It's happening a lot.

It’s being a right pain lately that’s true.

[GallowayLass]

OOOOHHH! You could be on to a winner here. I think you should spend the credits on this death as it’s 1855, the golden year when civil registration started in Scotland. You get much more information than at any time since and it should even give you where he is buried. Although it is registered in Carstsirs, he may we’ll have died on the road while at work with his cart. Perhaps on his way through to Edinburgh. Even if you only manage to eliminate him it will be worth the 6 credits.

Surname
JACK
Forename
JAMES
Age at death
52
Mother's Maiden Name
FORREST
Year
1855
Ref
633/ 7
RD Name
Carstairs

[GallowayLass]

These are the only two Lesmahagow baptisms that it could be. Given that the couple only baptised one son and he was called Thomas, I would be inclined to go with the first one and assume the age on the 1851 census transcription is wrong. This one is a very good match for the person b.c.1796 in the 1841 census.

Surname
JACK
Forename
JAMES
Parents/ Other Details
THOMAS JACK/MARGARET FORREST FR377 (FR377)
Gender
M
Date
08/06/1794
Parish Number
649/
Ref
20 97
Parish
Lesmahagow

Surname
JACK
Forename
JAMES
Parents/ Other Details
THOMAS JACK/ISOBELL LANG FR358 (FR358)
Gender
M
Date
02/06/1788
Parish Number
649/
Ref
20 59
Parish
Lesmahagow