Born Spain or Bristol?

[Katarzyna]

Edward and Letitia and family
1861 census RG 9; Piece: 1165; Folio: 160; Page: 2
1881 census RG11; Piece: 2999; Folio: 38; Page: 16;
1891 census RG12; Piece: 2379; Folio: 101; Page: 40

Edward born Dublin, Ireland.
Wife Letitia (aka Schilier !!!) born Grantham or Newark, Lincoln, England or Dublin, Ireland depending which census you view!

[Elaine]

Didn't look at the census on the tree but doubled back and 1881 in Birmingham Edward B Morriss

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-H2WZ

John with Mary Maria 1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-K2DB

[Elaine]

Sorry cross post, was looking at the births, came up with MMN Roden, Alice is born 1858

[Katarzyna]

Yes me too Elaine

MORRIS, ALICE mmn RODEN
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 448
and this fits for
MORRIS, LETITIA ELIZABETH mmn ROWLAND ???
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 583

The children were born all over the country - they certainly moved around a lot!

[Katarzyna]

MORRIS, EDWARD BARNET mmn RODEN
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in OXFORD Volume 03A Page 538

What about this marriage:
Mar 1856
Morris Bernard Cheltenham 6a 523
Roden Letitia Cheltenham 6a 523

[Elaine]

I keep having to look where they are when cross checking! do you think they were in Ireland 1871 looking at the births 1881 census ?

[Katarzyna]

Yes it looks like it. I cannot find a baptism/birth in Ireland though for Joseph :(

[Katarzyna]

1856 Marriage.JPG
Letitia and Bernard Marriage.
Do you think this is them?

[Elaine]

I do after seeing his middle name when searching

[Elaine]

Going to call it a night and will have a look tomorrow. Nice one finding the marriage, there were so many surnames, I didn't even look for Letitia!

[cbcarolyn]

good work ladies, how on earth did he move from Bernard to Edward - is that a thing?

No Margaret birth though? I did have a quick look on FMP with Roden and could see most of them on there.

Did Shoemakers just move on a whim, or was there some method on where they went to next? Can't think what - an army on the move?

[cbcarolyn]

on Ancestry I can see Margarets baptism in Dublin age 3 1/2 1872

See link to irish genealogy in post 36
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...793.1535224975


and there are also baptisms for Robert Patrick & Joseph on 20 Nov 1872

Not helping with the Spain issue.

I did wonder if it was the person above on the census that was born in Spain and the enumerator was in a muddle.

[fran]

Have just found a birth for Letitia Roden Bap. 1st June 1829 Birtmingham. Father John,mother Letitia and in 1837 there is a Louisa Letitia,same place,same parents.
F

[Katarzyna]

Burial for Louisa Letitia Roden?

Name: Louisa Roden
Age: 3
Birth Date: abt 1837
Burial Date: 20 Dec 1840
Burial Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Birmingham, St Paul

[Katarzyna]

Edward and Letitia in Hulme Manchester - Edward born Ireland, bootmaker. Letitia born Newark.
RG13; Piece: 3704; Folio: 159; Page: 26
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...194.1591780614

Letitia POB's
1861 b Ireland
1881 Newark
1891 Grantham
1901 Newark

Carolyn - I think you are right about Margaret's birth place as Spain being a mistake by the enumerator.

[Karamazov]

on Ancestry I can see Margarets baptism in Dublin age 3 1/2


and there are also baptisms for Robert Patrick & Joseph on 20 Nov 1872

Not helping with the Spain issue.

I did wonder if it was the person above on the census that was born in Spain and the enumerator was in a muddle.

Initially, I thought the record below was an earlier Margaret Morris who had died as an infant - but given how the dates tally it looks to be the same Margaret Morris. So she seems to have been baptised twice, for some reason.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy...=d-511-1-2-064

Christine

[fran]

I see Edward is Edward Bernard on bap. of Margaret

[fran]

Thank you so much for your help everyone. I have learned more than I expected. I will break the news to my friend that it was just a mistake made by the enumerator!
Francisca

[Karamazov]

Initially, I thought the record below was an earlier Margaret Morris who had died as an infant - but given how the dates tally it looks to be the same Margaret Morris. So she seems to have been baptised twice, for some reason.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy...=d-511-1-2-064

Christine

Reason for 2nd baptism - the 1870 baptism for Margaret which I found above was COI, whereas the later one that cbcarolyn found in post 32 was RC. Pretty unusual! The marriage that Kat found in post 28 was C of E.

Christine

[Elaine]

I looked at the marriage certificate again and John the witness, spells the surname slightly different; had a look at births

GRO
Letitia Rowdin 1838 Q4 Newark MMN Hallam