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    Born Spain or Bristol?

    A friend was told that an ancestor was born in Spain. Her grandfather is John H Goldby b.1888 Stockport. On the 1901 census he is living in Everton,Liverpool with his brother Archibald and his mother Margaret ,a widow ,born Spain,Spanish subject. On the 1891 census the family is in Stockport. The father is John H. Godby .His wife is Margaret aged 20 born Bristol. There is also a sister-in-law called Alice aged 29 born Cambridshire. There is a marriage in Salford in 1888 between John Henry Goldby and Margaret Morris. Margaret's father is Edward. John Goldby is a widower.
    Help to unravel the mystery please
    F

    #2
    Have you found Margaret before her marriage?

    Just as a check, from the GRO Index ........

    Goldby, John Henry mmn Morris
    GRO Reference 1888 Dec quarter Stockport
    My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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      #3
      On the marriage certificate, Margaret is 21, a Machinist, and her father Edward is a Bootmaker.

      The marriage took place on January 2 1888
      My grandmother, on the beach, South Bay, Scarborough, undated photo (poss. 1929 or 1930)

      Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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        #4
        I have not found Margaret (or Alice) before her marriage. Thank you for that extra information. There is a big difference between Bristol and Spain.I would love to solve the puzzle.
        F

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          #5
          Not sure of the name of the second witness

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          Elaine

          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
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            #6
            When John Henry Goldby marries Clara Perry in 1907 he gives his father's occupation as Interpreter. Could this perhaps suggest he met Margaret in that capacity as an Spanish citizen?

            https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...194.1591780614
            Last edited by Katarzyna; 24-06-20, 20:55.
            Kat
            My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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              #7
              Originally posted by Elaine View Post
              Not sure of the name of the second witness
              Is it John Charles Bradbury?
              Jacky

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                #8
                It's the name underneath Tilly, is the surname Morris?
                Elaine

                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                  #9
                  It looks like Morris to me, Elaine.
                  Jacky

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                    #10
                    It is Alice Morris (?) as in the 1891 census I think.
                    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...194.1591780614


                    Kat
                    My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                      #11
                      On lan-opc the witness has been transcribed as Alice Morris.

                      OC

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                        #12
                        Margaret Morriss born Bristol abt 1869 ... and Alice dates are all different
                        1881 census.
                        https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tr...&usePUBJs=true
                        Last edited by Katarzyna; 24-06-20, 21:16.
                        Kat
                        My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                          #13
                          I don't have Ancestry,so I am getting extra information here.Thank you.It is interesting that John Henry senior was an interpreter.
                          F

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                            #14
                            He was a hosier in 1888.

                            OC

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                              #15
                              Marriage: 2 Jan 1888 St Philip, Salford, Lancs.
                              John Henry Goldby - 28, Cashier, Widower, 22 Ford Street
                              Margaret Morris - 21, Machinist, Spinster, 22 Ford Street
                              Groom's Father: John Goldby, Hosier
                              Bride's Father: Edward Morris, Bootmaker
                              Witness: John Charles Bradbury; Alice Morris
                              Married by Banns by: R. Herbert Snape, Curate of St. Philips
                              Register: Marriages 1883 - 1891, Page 136, Entry 271
                              Source: Parish Register
                              Jacky

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
                                He was a hosier in 1888.

                                OC
                                Ooops, snap, OC
                                Jacky

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                                  #17
                                  John is in Liverpool 1881, previously married Mary Maria Thorpe 1878 Q4 Barton upon Irwell

                                  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource


                                  Elaine

                                  Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                  http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                  http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                    #18
                                    1888 marriage son as a widower and cashier - father a hosier :

                                    1888 marriage.JPG

                                    1907 marriage Cashier now an interperter (sic) and son Iron driller

                                    1907 Marriage.JPG
                                    Kat
                                    My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                                      #19
                                      Fran, do you have find my past?
                                      Kat
                                      My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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                                        #20
                                        Yes,I do have. Find My Past.
                                        F

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