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    Portuguese Ancestry ..

    Hello ..
    I'm a new member to this forum ..
    Does anyone know where i can get more info about Portuguese Ancestry ???

    #2
    Welcome to the forum, our Portugal page is here with some links:

    https://www.familytreeforum.com/cont...p/458-Portugal

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      #3
      Thankyou for the link ..

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        #4
        You will have to know where in portugal your family came from. Have you got this information from birth, death or marriage records?

        Familysearch has some portugese records, but i'm not sure what is covered.

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          #5
          well .. i have a full family history from my line .. back through to the 1800's being my grandfather from that era ..

          the info i have about him is rather limited .. and even then .. its seemingly not accurate ..

          he was a crew member of the harriet armitage which left lyttleton back in 1863 .. which came to australia ..

          as for certificates about his birth (somewhere in azores) .. his marriage to his wife .. and his death .. i'm not sure ..

          i do have some info about the date of his marriage .. but the handwriting is near illegible ..

          hence why i'm on here .. and also doing general research via whatever google can find ..

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            #6
            What state did he settle in? Did he marry in australia? Or bring the family over after?

            The eastern states have more detail in bmd's, vic, qsld and nsw. Tas and sa had limited info, like english bmd's. Wa started off limited but got more detailed.

            If he married here, in the eastern states his marriage will record his age, birthplace and parents names.

            Did he have children here? Once again in the eastern states their records will state his name, age, occupation and birthplace. Same for mother and details of when and where for their marriage.

            The death cert should record place of birth and parents names, if known by the informant.

            Do you have these records? If not, i advise obtaining them. I would also suggest getting all the births of the children, if you can. As the info on birthplace varies from birth to birth. Some may say "portugal" but one or more might be more specific.

            If you can get a screenshot of the marriage details you can't read, post it here and see if we can help.

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              #7
              yes he did marry here ... and had children here ..

              i do have info about his marriage date ..

              and i know where he is buried .. which is another path i'm following ..

              its his life in the portugal area that i have almost no info about ..

              and then there is the ship he was a crew member of ..

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                #8
                You need to know where in portugal he came from in order to learn about his life.

                Get all the australian certificates you can, as this will tell you. Then you can go about finding records in portugal.

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                  #9
                  As Kyle suggests, Australian bdm certs are generally quite informative. My grandfather (dead long before my birth) came from Ireland but married, raised children and died in Western Australia. From his marriage and death certs I found his place of birth in Ireland, his parents' names, his age, his father's occupation, trace his emigration records and his length of stay in 3 Australian States. I was then able to locate his birth in Kerry, Ireland, his siblings and eventually , some living Irish kinfolk. I was pretty thrilled by all this, as my father never spoke much of his family and I knew next to nothing about them.

                  You may also strike lucky by using the Trove website- https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r..._vIeZMXrk0pDcH
                  Last edited by Macbev; 22-07-19, 04:53.

                  Beverley



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                    #10
                    he was born .. supposedly in the azores area .. and came to australia on the harriet armitage ..

                    as for the ship .. i only have a crew member list ..

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                      #11
                      does anyone know anything about lyttleton port ??

                      the ship my great grandfather was a crew member on, sailed from that port ..

                      I'm having difficulty finding it ..

                      thanks ..

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                        #12
                        I thought the port of Lyttelton was in NZ?
                        Might he have joined the ship there? Have you been able to find out anything about that particular voyage, i.e where she sailed from, any ports of call on way?
                        Did he continue to go to sea once he settled in Australia, or may working his passage have been a means of getting there?

                        Jay
                        Janet in Yorkshire



                        Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                          #13
                          Lyttleton port was the port associated with Christchurch, NZ and the major outlet for the Canterbury Plains settlers. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyttelton,_New_Zealand

                          Beverley



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                            #14
                            thats what is puzzling me ..

                            why work on a ship ..that sails from a port in nz .. that supposedly took at least seven days to get to australia ..

                            and yet .. be born in azores somewhere ..

                            the crew record is about the most info i have .. of him ..

                            this is the url: http://marinersandships.com.au/1863/02/061har.htm
                            Last edited by the_colour_silver_82; 09-08-19, 23:42.

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                              #15
                              It was (and is still) common for ships' crews to be of several or many nationalities. I definitely wouldn't rule a sailor out just because he was working on the other side of the world.
                              Anne

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                                #16
                                Sailors could be taken on as temporary crew members for one voyage only and some (especially single men) did a lot of travelling, around the world, not just Europe.
                                Have you got documentation that he was born in the Azores? "Portugal" could mean born in a Portuguese territory, rather than in the mother country. Over the centuries the Portuguese were great sailors and explorers and many territories, including parts of Africa, Goa, Macau and Timor were under Portuguese influence. As lots of the colonies relied on trading, this would have involved transportation of goods and links with shipping. So, I think it quite feasible that someone of Portuguese nationality could have worked his passage around the globe and ended up in Australia.

                                Jay
                                Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 10-08-19, 10:14.
                                Janet in Yorkshire



                                Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                                  #17
                                  well thats exactly what i am after .. info of his birth .. in azores .. and that of any info about his birth family ..

                                  its "common knowledge" in the family that he was born in azores .. somewhere ..

                                  apparently he didn't divulge much info to his own children or grand children about where he was born ..

                                  and thats what i am after .. because that info is not included in a family reunion book from 1994 .. it really needs updating ..

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                                    #18
                                    You still haven't stated whether you have the certificates for your relative and his children. They will record where he states he is from. Just because family lore states he is from the azores, does not make it so. My great great grandfather was supposedly born in paris, and the birth certificates of his children state this. His own marriage states he was born in mauritius, which is the truth. Unless you have copies of the records and they state the azores, then you won't get any further back.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by the_colour_silver_82 View Post
                                      well .. i have a full family history from my line .. back through to the 1800's being my grandfather from that era ..

                                      the info i have about him is rather limited .. and even then .. its seemingly not accurate .. he was a crew member of the harriet armitage which left lyttleton back in 1863 .. which came to australia ..

                                      as for certificates about his birth (somewhere in azores) .. his marriage to his wife .. and his death .. i'm not sure .. i do have some info about the date of his marriage .. but the handwriting is near illegible ..

                                      hence why i'm on here .. and also doing general research via whatever google can find ..
                                      Perhaps you'd like to tell us some of the information that you ARE sure about (names, places, dates) and what evidence you have to support this. if you haven't already got it, I would have thought that purchasing a copy of the death certificate for your grandfather would have been a good starting point. You say you have a copy of his marriage certificate, but can't read the handwriting - is this a copy of the original which you have bought or a copy of a copy handed down through the family? If the latter, it may be worthwhile buying your own original copy; if you have already purchased a copy of the original, then perhaps you could contact the relevant document keepers, explain which parts are illegible and ask them for their interpretation.
                                      At the moment it seems that you are asking for "general" advice. I suspect we will be unable to help you find detailed information unless you supply forum members with some more specific information to work with.

                                      Jay
                                      Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 12-08-19, 09:07.
                                      Janet in Yorkshire



                                      Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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                                        #20
                                        Jose Silva
                                        abt 1840
                                        26
                                        Tome (no such place, Difficult to read).
                                        Sydney, New South Wales
                                        16 Feb 1866
                                        Mary and Edith
                                        Lisbon
                                        https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

                                        So looks like he continued as crew for a while.

                                        and this one?
                                        Jose Silva
                                        abt 1842
                                        22
                                        Brisbane
                                        Sydney, New South Wales
                                        20 May 1864
                                        Lion
                                        Fyai (Again no such place - Difficult to read)
                                        https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

                                        Jose Sylva
                                        abt 1840
                                        23
                                        A Whaling Vogage
                                        Sydney, New South Wales
                                        1 Oct 1863
                                        Alabama
                                        Amr (possible same place as third person on list -see image if you can translate it!)
                                        https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
                                        Kat
                                        My avatar is my Great Grandmother, Cassandra Elizabeth Palmer 1861 to 1940

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