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    running out of ideas :(

    I am once again attempting to tackle my HOLMES side [and failing miserably!]

    I know that Edward HOLMES was born 14th July 1810 and baptised in Smisby, Derbyshire s/o Joseph & Mary HOLMES
    there is also a Ann HOLMES born 9th March 1808 @ Smisby, Derbyshire d/o Joseph & Mary HOLMES

    what I can't find are anymore children to this set of parents, I think I have Mary in the 1841 census, with son Edward and Harriet his wife.

    I believe I have identified three deaths which could possibly be Ann, Mary and Joseph, they seemed to have moved back over the border into Leicestershire and ended up in the Breedon parish which encompassed Worthington, which is nearby to Newbold/Lount/Whitwick, [where the Holmes' eventually settled/died]

    I am totally flummoxed as I can't even pinpoint a Marriage for Joseph & Mary, though I have an idea that Mary came from Worthington, [I have found a 1851 census that could be her, i'll see if I can find the relevant ones]

    any help/ideas suggestions would be most gratefully received, ta.
    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

    #2
    I am not ignoring anyone, I have to go and walk the dog, but, I will be back in an hour. thanks.
    Julie
    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

    .......I find dead people

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      #3
      Not having much luck with this Julie.
      Elaine







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        #4
        Just found a baptism for Edward - but not in Smisby ??

        England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 - source Ancestry
        Edward Holmes
        Birth Date: 14 Jul 1810
        Event - Baptism
        Father - Joseph Holmes
        Mother - Mary Holmes
        Baptism Date: 12 Aug 1810
        Baptism Place: Ashby de la Zouch, Derbyshire, England
        Denomination: Wesleyan

        http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...0+11&ml_rpos=7

        .. and one for Ann

        England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 - source Ancestry
        Ann Holmes
        Birth Date - 9 Mar 1808
        Birth Place - Smisby
        Event - Baptism
        Father -Joseph Holmes
        Mother - Mary Holmes
        Baptism - 1 Apr 1809
        Baptism Place: Ashby de la Zouch, Leicestershire, England
        Denomination: Wesleyan

        http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...+11&ml_rpos=11


        - but not sure how that helps you!
        Elaine







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          #5
          You mentioned Breedon .. found this one

          Marriage of Joseph Holmes / Mary Fletcher
          04 Feb 1800
          Breedon On The Hill,Leicester,England


          https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLQS-44Q
          Elaine







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            #6
            i think Ashby might be quite close to Smisby Elaine
            Barbara

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              #7
              Originally posted by Barbara Dodds View Post
              i think Ashby might be quite close to Smisby Elaine
              .. anything north of Watford .. I need to get Tom Tom out!
              Elaine







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                #8
                Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                .. anything north of Watford .. I need to get Tom Tom out!

                That's what google maps is for
                Barbara

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Barbara Dodds View Post
                  i think Ashby might be quite close to Smisby Elaine
                  Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                  .. anything north of Watford .. I need to get Tom Tom out!
                  yep, Ashby de la Zouch is the reg dist [and also a place] Breedon is also a parish but has a beautiful church on top of a hill that can be seen for miles, Smisby is slap bang on the border of ADLZ with Derbyshire, one side of Breedon is Smisby/Ashby and Worthington/Lount/Newbold/Whitwick is on the other side, so, if you imagine breedon in the middle and the others surrounding it in a circle.

                  have a look on google maps, you will see what I mean..

                  I do have Edwards bapt in the non-cons and it does state that he was bapt in Smisby. [I actually spied the Non-Con section on ancestry today, which is what has prompted this search again.. ] SO much easier now I don't have to swap and look in a number of different places for the info!..

                  that Marriage does look interesting Elaine, I did find 'somewhere, online' marriages for Breedon in a database. i'll have to see if I can find that again
                  Julie
                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                  .......I find dead people

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                    #10
                    this is Mary and Joseph in 1841 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin...v=1&ml_rpos=27
                    Julie
                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                    .......I find dead people

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                      #11
                      Is this what you are looking for Julie ..
                      http://www.leicestershirevillages.co...alrecords.html
                      Elaine







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                        #12
                        I have just had a look at Edwards bapt again, and it states Edward s/o Joseph & Mary HOLMES OF Smisby, just goes to show how many times I have looked at this and misread it!!

                        I have no idea of Josephs occupation either.
                        Julie
                        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                        .......I find dead people

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                          Is this what you are looking for Julie ..
                          http://www.leicestershirevillages.co...alrecords.html
                          Yep, I think that is it Elaine, ta.
                          Julie
                          They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                          .......I find dead people

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                            #14
                            Looked in my non conformist records and can confirm those

                            Bap 01-Apr 1808 Holmes Ann Birth 09-Mar 1808 Joseph Mary Smisby DBY Ashby de la Zouch Methodist

                            10-Aug 1810 Holmes Edward 14-Jul 1810 Joseph Mary Smisby DBY Ashby de la Zouch Methodist

                            marriage is as

                            Breedon on the Hill 04-Feb 1800 Banns
                            Joseph Holmes OTP
                            Mary Fletcher OTP

                            Checked Breedon

                            1800-02-04 Banns HOLMES Joseph Breedon FLETCHER Mary Breedon
                            Witnesses Martha Davies John Allt

                            Think John Alt is a churchman, he appears a lot in the register
                            Last edited by Elaine; 06-09-13, 19:38.
                            Elaine

                            Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                            http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                            http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                              Looked in my non conformist records and can confirm those

                              Bap 01-Apr 1808 Holmes Ann Birth 09-Mar 1808 Joseph Mary Smisby DBY Ashby de la Zouch Methodist

                              10-Aug 1810 Holmes Edward 14-Jul 1810 Joseph Mary Smisby DBY Ashby de la Zouch Methodist

                              marriage is as

                              Breedon on the Hill 04-Feb 1800 Banns
                              Joseph Holmes OTP
                              Mary Fletcher OTP

                              Checked Breedon

                              1800-02-04 Banns HOLMES Joseph Breedon FLETCHER Mary Breedon
                              Witnesses Martha Davies John Allt

                              Think John Alt is a churchman, he appears a lot in the register
                              super Elaine, ta :smilee: still in a blinking muddle though exactly where to look next, surely they must have had more than 2 children?
                              Julie
                              They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                              .......I find dead people

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                                #16
                                I thought that but didn't see any baptisms in Breedon, guessing they were somewhere else in between
                                Elaine

                                Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                  #17
                                  ok, so, doing some maths Mary was possibly born in/around 1776 [according to 1841 cens age] add 21 to it and you get 1797, so it is entirely possible that the marriage you have found is the correct one.

                                  i'll have a shuftie and see if I can find a bapt for her.
                                  Julie
                                  They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                  .......I find dead people

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                                    I thought that but didn't see any baptisms in Breedon, guessing they were somewhere else in between
                                    Derbyshire? praps?
                                    Julie
                                    They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                    .......I find dead people

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                                      #19
                                      Looked in burials

                                      BREEDON ON THE HILL 752.1 JOSEPH HOLMES LOUNT 28-Apr 1833 AGE 73....bit too old dare I say;)

                                      and also

                                      BREEDON ON THE HILL 858 MARY HOLMES LOUNT 15-Jul 1857 85
                                      Elaine

                                      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

                                      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
                                      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Elaine View Post
                                        Looked in burials

                                        BREEDON ON THE HILL 752.1 JOSEPH HOLMES LOUNT 28-Apr 1833 AGE 73....bit too old dare I say;)

                                        and also

                                        BREEDON ON THE HILL 858 MARY HOLMES LOUNT 15-Jul 1857 85
                                        hmm, thats what I had found too... Mary could be the same one, not sure about Joseph though, like you say he would be much older than her wouldn't he. did you see any other Joseph HOLMES burials at all Elaine? the census I found doesn't mention a husband at all, and I have also found a Mary in 1851, though this one is with a Samuel I think it was, I'll see if I can find that.
                                        Julie
                                        They're coming to take me away haha hee hee..........

                                        .......I find dead people

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