Clara's death - help UPDATE #626

[stevie2006]

Thanks Val good idea. On the 1911 census he was aged 30 - a dock labourer and they were living at 37 Maitland Road. I will see if I can see anything

Steven

[stevie2006]

You know what's a bit strange? Someone mentioned ages ago there was a death in Ilford in Essex for a Clara Kimber. Looking on Ancestry there is a marriage of a Clara Ward to someone Kimber in Stroud in 1941 and then her death is in Ilford in 1944. That appears a bit of a coincidence that forename, approx date of birth, place of death all quite similar. Worth a shot?

What do you think?

Steven

[herky]

You know what's a bit strange? Someone mentioned ages ago there was a death in Ilford in Essex for a Clara Kimber. Looking on Ancestry there is a marriage of a Clara Ward to someone Kimber in Stroud in 1941 and then her death is in Ilford in 1944. That appears a bit of a coincidence that forename, approx date of birth, place of death all quite similar. Worth a shot?

What do you think?

Steven

That was post #60 - one of my "way out" answers!!

[SueNSW]

Worth a shot?

What do you think?

Steven

Probably not - the marriage in Stroud (Gloucestershire) was to a Norman E Kimber

The most likely death of someone fitting that name was in Sep 2001 - at the age of 83 in the reg district of Gloucester (also Gloucestershire) - his dob is given as 5th May 1918 - so unless Clara found herself a 'toy boy' - it doesn't seem likely - though this is only a 'gut feeling' response of course

[stevie2006]

Sorry Herky I couldn't find who made the original post but thanks

Sue thanks it does look unlikely so thats saved me an order

Steven

[margaretmarch]

It was in a list I put up of "deaths of Clara ??? b1869 in Ilford". We discounted it at the time but maybe we should go back and see if there is a James Kimber as I have a feeling the name of Ward on 1911 is not correct.

I think possibly Clara did not remarry for a while because any help she was getting from the Brewery as compensation may have been dependent on her being a widow. State help for widows was also dependant on not remarrying.

I have just printed the list out to check them all out myself.

Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Here's the list again from post #2

Here's a list of all the Clara's born 1869 who died in Ilford
Clara L Buttle abt 1869 Oct-Nov-Dec 1941 Ilford Essex <<<<<<<<<<< this one looks possible
Clara E Garland abt 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar 1961 Ilford Essex
Clara A Harris abt 1869 Jul-Aug-Sep 1959 Ilford Essex
Clara Kimber abt 1869 Jul-Aug-Sep 1944 Ilford Essex
Clara H Mcdonald abt 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar 1953 Ilford Essex
Clara A Parcell abt 1869 Apr-May-Jun 1942 Ilford Essex
Clara C Townsend abt 1869 Jan-Feb-Mar 1962 Ilford Essex


Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Steve, Can you give the reference for the 1911 for Clara please?

I can't see anyone with husband James in West Ham or thereabouts and the only one I found was a widow with a son Alfred age 12 and she has said that she had 5 children 3 still alive.

Margaret

[margaretmarch]

This probably the Clara Kimber who died in Ilford in 1944 from the 1911

KIMBER, William Charles Head Married M 37 1874 Sergeant Hants Owslebury
KIMBER, Clara Wife Married 13 years F 41 1870 Hants Sparshot
KIMBER, Dorothy Alice Daughter F 11 1900 School Essex West Ham
KIMBER, Charles Son M 8 1903 Essex West Ham
KIMBER, George Father Widower M 67 1844 Gardener Domestic Hants Crawley

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Address:
Oak Hill Lodge Oak Hill Walthamstow

[margaretmarch]

Here's Clara L Buttle

BUTTLE, George Head Married M 46 1865 Teacher West Ham Essex
BUTTLE, Clara Louisa Wife Married F 42 1869 Maidenhead Berkshire
BUTTLE, Lucy Millicent Clara Daughter Single F 14 1897 School East Ham Essex
SCHREER, Harriet Servant Single F 16 1895 General Servant Domestic Stamford Hill Middlesex

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Address:
133 Boleyn Road Forest Gate E

[margaretmarch]

And finally Clara A Parcell

PARCELL, Richard Head Married M 44 1867 Wood Sawyer Hertford
PARCELL, Clara Agnes Wife Married 18 years F 42 1869 St Pancras London
PARCELL, Phyllis Daughter F 12 1899 School Essex Stratford
PARCELL, Alan Son M 8 1903 Essex Stratford
PARCELL, Edith Daughter F 6 1905 Essex Stratford
MOORE, David Henry Visitor Married M 65 1846 Late Publican Hertford
MOORE, Eliza Charlotte Visitor Married 1 years F 66 1845 London Poplar

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Address:
15 Colegrave Road Stratford London E

[Guest]

this is her in 1911 Margaret
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[margaretmarch]

Thanks Val.

Just had a look and the address is 27 Hartland Road not Maitland Road as Steve said up thread.

I also notice that on the cover of the form it started off as Mrs Ward being the head of the household and was then amended to be Mr by crossing out the 's' on Mrs.

Margaret

[margaretmarch]

Might be worth asking for details of the ER for Hartland Road - it's still there and comes under the London Borough of Newham here's the link for getting in touch with them http://www.newham.gov.uk/entertainme...ieslibrary.htm

My thoughts are that we start from the point where we know Clara was living and move forwards from there if we can. The ER might show a different name for James.

Margaret

[Guest]

I still dont think thats his true name or that they married?

[stevie2006]

Thanks Margaret for all your time and help today and thanks for summarising all the information and discounting some of he Clara's for me. I will email the link you gave me and see if I can find her on the er in 1911 and get back to you. I think that makes sense to try and get her listed somewhere and then see if any clues

Steven

[stevie2006]

Maybe the children's surnames were obviously still Ward but Clara's name is different and that is why we can't find a death for a Ward. Is that all these Clara's discounted now Margaret? THANK YOU so much for doing this and helping me

I have emailed the libary for Hartland Road

Steven

[margaretmarch]

I think I have looked at all those for Ilford in the relevant years but I will see if I can see anything in surrounding areas.

Margaret

[stevie2006]

Thanks Margaret does that mean that the big likelyhood is that she was known by another name or did marry in your opinion? Or die miles away from where I thought she died?

I am also thinking was Clara known by some other forename ie middle name Lilian or some random name like Doris as others in my family were !!!!

Steven

[Darksecretz]

this is her in 1911 Margaret
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Val

can you add the url link to it on ancestry please, i'm having a heck of a time trying to find it. ta