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Thread: Help please with census returns for Mary McDonagh, later known as Mary McDonald.

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    Help please with census returns for Mary McDonagh, later known as Mary McDonald.

    Can anyone help fill in census gaps (1881, 1891 & 1901) for this Mary, elusive because the surname kept morphing? I’m sorry the following is so long, but I want to give you as much background as I can, because I’ve found piecing together her life somewhat challenging. (I’ve been working forwards in time and am now in touch with a family I believe to be descendants of Mary’s son, John S McDonald. They are working backwards from John, but are stuck at his baptism – I’m hoping, with your help, to join up the dots in the middle.)

    According to her bc, Mary McDonagh was born at Whitrope tunnel cottages, Castleton, Roxburgh, 10 Sep 1862, daughter of Commons & Catherine McDonagh. Her father was a labourer employed on railway construction. In 1871 Mary was recorded in the family home in Walker, Newcastle on Tyne, where her father (recorded as Cummins McDonough) was labouring in a factory. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...off=&ml_rpos=8

    By 1881 the family lived in Usworth (in the parish of Heworth, just south of Gateshead) and the surname had morphed into McDonack. Mary was not at home, I assume she was in employment, probably as a living-in domestic servant. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

    It seems she had an illegitimate daughter Annie McDonald (birth reg Gateshead Q2 1888 no mmn) bp St Joseph’s Gateshead 27 Mar 1889 Ann McDonald d/o Mary, born 12 Jun 1888 (LDS transcription & no image available.) In 1891 Annie McDonald was with her grandparents, recorded as their 2yr old daughter. Mary was not at the parental home. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource

    Birth of a son John Samuel McDonald was registered at Gateshead in June 1893, no mmn. He was bp St Joseph’s Gateshead 16 May 1894, John McDonnell or Connelly born 4 Apr 1893 son of Mary McDonnell – again LDS transcription only, no image available.)

    In 1901 daughter (Eva) Annie McDonald was in residential domestic service in Heworth,https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
    son John McDonald was a 7 yr old boarder in Gateshead. https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
    Haven’t found Mary McDonald/McDonnell/Connelly.

    Eva Annie married in 1908 and settled in Gateshead; in 1911 Mary McDonald , son John Samuel & gd dau (Eva Annie d/o Annie) were in Gateshead.https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...646.1565199337

    Thanks for persevering.
    Jay
    Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 19-08-19 at 16:28.
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    just in case you think nobody is looking I tried yesterday ,but gave up, will have another go later, if nobody else finds it.

    Val

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    I'm still looking. Pondering why Mary's children were baptised long after birth and at a young age living away from extended family.
    Cant see Mary as an Asylum patient although there is one Mary McDonald in Durham Asylum but 1876/77 so only fifteen.
    The Army records for John Samuel list him as CofE. NOK mother Mary. Have you got those records Jay?

    Vera

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    Thanks Val.
    I don't hold out a lot of hope for ever finding Mary, but would love it if someone could look over what I've found and see if it all seems feasible.

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



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    Thanks for looking, Vera.
    I'm not sure if I have got the right army papers. I've got the set for Royal Engineers number 26057 - that gives his religion as Roman Catholic and an address for his mother at Monkton St, Jarrow. Can you give me a link to the military record you've found. please? (I subscribe to both Ancestry and FMP)

    I think there was another John Samuel McDonald around - first time Mary's son appears as John Samuel is 1911 census.

    Jay
    Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 20-08-19 at 15:38.
    Janet in Yorkshire



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    The birth date on this 1939 record matches the one on the bp entry.
    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
    Also occupation ties in with the 1911 census ref I gave in the opening post.
    The military record I found and referred to in post 5 is for someone who was a riveter at Palmer's shipyard, which is why I'm not sure I've got the right one.

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    Do you recognise any of the addresses?
    1917 49 Alexander Rd, Hirst (postcard addressed to Mrs Mary McDonald re-directed to Gateshead
    1919 15 Cobden Street, Gateshead
    34 Hawthorn Rd, Ashington

    John Samuel McDonald
    B 1893
    SN 61927 Royal Garrison Artillery
    Previously with 9th Durhams
    NOK mother Mary McDonald
    Sober, conscientious, intelligent

    Vera

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet in Yorkshire View Post
    Thanks for looking, Vera.
    I'm not sure if I have got the right army papers. I've got the set for Royal Engineers number 26057 - that gives his religion as Roman Catholic and an address for his mother at Monkton St, Jarrow. Can you give me a link to the military record you've found. please? (I subscribe to both Ancestry and FMP)

    I think there was another John Samuel McDonald around - first time Mary's son appears as John Samuel is 1911 census.

    Jay
    Will rev up my laptop

    Vera

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    Thanks for #7, Vera. I had looked at this record the other day, but wasn't sure because the occupation at enlistment was given as barman, rather than miner (see 1911 census.) Barman "threw" me, because Mary McDonagh had a brother Peter who went into the pub trade and managed a pub in Newcastle in 1901 and by 1911 he was a licensee. He continued in the pub business and I have a picture of "The Blue Post" in Pilgrim Street in 1920, with his name above the door. Another brother Matthew was a barman in 1901 and in 1911 Mary's youngest sibling William was a bar manager. So, the barman seemed to fit the family background (3 uncles in the trade) but in 1911 Mary's son was down the pit. However, he was 17 years old - perhaps age disqualified him from bar work and selling alcohol?????
    As they're not my actual family, I don't have any addresses for any of them. Mary's daughter and family were in Gateshead in 1911 - if they remained there, Mary could have moved and gone to live with them whilst John was in the army.
    Ashington fits with the 1939 record. So many ifs and ands and maybes - also we are into the dates of a lack of internet records. And maddeningly, Mary is still below the radar.

    Jay
    Last edited by Janet in Yorkshire; 20-08-19 at 16:40.
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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