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    Untraceable Father on Marriage Cert

    Hi everyone,

    I just joined the site, and I'm still down in the dumps from disappointment caused by the recent lack of progress on a long-term brick wall of mine.

    I ordered the 1877 marriage cert. for my 2xG Grandparents, hoping to find the parents of my 2xG G/mother Elizabeth France.
    I already had information that she was born around 1857/1858 in Slaithwaite, Yorkshire (1911 census was the most specific).

    For whatever reason she was married in Widnes, Lancs., not Yorkshire, and her occupation column was blank. Her father was noted as Joseph France, an Office Clerk. Her spouse, John Evans, gave the wrong age (21, but he was 18), and in the census prior to the marriage he was in "Corner of Hoole Lane & Boughton - Certified Ragged Industrial School, Boughton, Chester, Cheshire, England". He also didn't give his middle name, Henry. So, a troubled boy? All this makes me wonder just how reliable the rest of the cert. info is. Although, he did give the right father's name and occupation, and his own occupation: 'Sawyer'. Witnesses: Edwin Davies & Mary Hobson (not relations, that I know of).

    I have gone through all the possible censuses I could find with the name Elizabeth FRANCE or Joseph FRANCE in Huddersfield and Prescot districts, and there are plenty families there, but none of them match. I've looked on the GRO index for the Mother's names for all the possible Elizabeth Frances born around the right time, and none of them married a Joseph. I've looked at the possible pre 1861 census deaths for a Joseph France, but none of them quite fit: they're too old, or too young to be likely. I've even traced all the 'France' marriages in Prescot around the same time Elizabeth was married there to see if they may be siblings, but nothing hopeful showed up.

    A William France bc1855 in Lancashire, father JOSEPH France, mother Martha Glover, was married in Prescot 5 years after my Elizabeth's marriage, but his parents and siblings were all born in Lancs, there was no sister Elizabeth, and father's occupation was Watch Tool Maker

    Does anyone have any ideas how to look at this and problem & what to try next?

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    Can you give the link or reference to the 1911 census you have please?
    Margaret

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    I have found an Elizabeth France born in Slaithwaite, but her father is John.

    http://search.findmypast.co.uk/recor...1%2f0016936320


    Sand Hill, Marsden in Huddersfield, Huddersfield, Yorkshire

    John France Head Married Male 30 1831 Cotton Twister Slaithwaite, Yorkshire, England
    Mary France Wife Married Female 25 1836 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England
    Elizabeth France Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Slaithwaite, Yorkshire, England
    Lula M France Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Slaithwaite, Yorkshire, England
    George C France Son - Male 1 1860 - Slaithwaite, Yorkshire, England

    Ecclesiastical district St Bartholomews
    Registration district Huddersfield
    Enumeration district 10
    Archive reference RG09
    Piece number 3244
    Folio number 20
    Page number 5


    It wouldn't be the first time that the details of the bride's father were wrong, but you would have to investigate further.
    Elizabeth
    Research Interests:
    England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
    Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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    Hmm, an Ancestry tree has her marrying Walter Jagger, so it might not be her.
    Elizabeth
    Research Interests:
    England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
    Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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    Back to the drawing board, as this girl isn't correct. Her marriage to Walter is on Ancestry.
    Elizabeth
    Research Interests:
    England:Purkis, Stilwell, Quintrell, White (Surrey - Guildford), Jeffcoat, Bond, Alexander, Lamb, Newton (Lincolnshire, Stalybridge, London)
    Scotland:Richardson (Banffshire), Wishart (Kincardineshire), Johnston (Kincardineshire)

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    Hi Lena and welcome to FTF
    Could you tell us which of their children is your direct ancestor please, so that we can find the right family.

    I assume this is the family you are researching in 1881? -
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

    1891 -
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...&usePUBJs=true

    p.s. I haven't found them any later yet and I can't find the 1911 census you refer to.
    Last edited by Chrissie Smiff; 25-03-17 at 10:41.
    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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    might have got myself in a twist but might this be her christening
    Elizabeth France christening:
    30 July 1860
    Honley, York, England
    residence:
    Honley, York, England
    father:
    Joseph France
    mother:
    Jane France

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    maybe the marriage ignore me if I'm way out have a headache.
    Name Joseph France
    Birth Date 1823
    Age 26
    Spouse's Name Jane Ann Carr
    Spouse's Birth Date 1827
    Spouse's Age 22
    Event Date 08 Jan 1849
    Event Place Kirkheaton, York, England
    Father's Name Josh. France
    Spouse's Father's Name Wm. Carr

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