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    Marriage of Francis Raymond (1795-1874)

    I have Francis Raymond born at Great Torrington, Devon in 1795. He died during the March quarter of 1874 District of Tavistock. I have established that he was married to a Mary Ann ???? (1794-1871).

    I have their first child as being Nicholas Raymond who was born 4 June 1820 at MaryTavy, Nr. Whitchurch in Devon.

    The 1861 Census shows Francis aged 66 living with Mary aged 67 at Tavistock. Also living with them is a William Williams aged 49 and he is shown to have been born at Tavistock and is listed as Francis' Step Son.

    Can anyone please discover when and where Francis and Mary Ann were married. The name of Francis' father would be a bonus as would any information about William Williams.

    I have been going round in circles on this one for about ten years. Your help would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
    Linda - Happy Hunting

    A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

    Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

    #2
    I found a link for Great Torrington and wondered about

    Baptisms
    RAYMONT Margaret Nicholas Mary labourer Sep 13, 1794
    EMMETT / RAYMENT Francis Nicholas Margery labourer Jan 13, 1797
    RAYMOND John Nicholas Margery labourer Apr 17, 1799

    found all these links

    http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Great...nBaptisms.html
    http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Great...Marriages.html
    http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Great...onBurials.html
    http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Great...CBaptisms.html
    http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/GreatTorrington/Wickes/


    England, Marriages, 1538–1973
    Name: Nicholas Rayment
    Spouse's Name: Margery Stacey
    Event Date: 25 Feb 1793
    Event Place: Merton,Devon,England
    Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M05142-1
    System Origin: England-ODM
    GS Film number: 916859

    1841 Census
    REYMOUNT, Nicholas
    TAVISTOCK, Devonshire
    HO107 piece 232 folio 3 page 1

    1841 Census
    RAYMER, Francis
    TAVISTOCK, Devonshire
    HO107 piece 241 folio 11 page 16
    Last edited by Elaine; 16-03-13, 20:07.
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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      #3
      Found on a tree and details for Francis 1861 to match

      1793 25 Feb Age: 25
      Merton, Devon, England
      Groom of Great Torrington Parish
      Elaine

      Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

      http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
      http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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        #4
        Good Morning Elaine - thank you so much for this information and links. I think Nicholas and Margery are Francis parents, I just have to prove the link.

        Edit - WOW Elaine those links to Great Torrington were outstanding. I have been able to prove the link between Francis and Nicholas. Thank you so much. Now just got to find Francis marriage to Mary Ann.
        Last edited by Linda from Murton; 17-03-13, 09:58.
        Linda - Happy Hunting

        A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

        Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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          #5
          Gives you a few spellings for the name
          Elaine

          Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

          http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
          http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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            #6
            Did they have any kids after 1837 so that you can buy the cert for mums name?

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              #7
              Hello Heather - thank you for responding.

              Unfortunately their youngest child was born in December 1835. I have found 7 children none of whom have a middle name which might have helped. They were all born at Whitchurch. The eldest Nicholas was born at Mary Tavy near Whitchurch in 1820. I have a note from 2005 where I've said that Francis and Mary Ann were not married at Whitchurch. Not sure where I got that information from.
              Linda - Happy Hunting

              A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

              Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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                #8
                Note .......... 3 or 4 trees on ancestry have a son born in 1840 .......

                ..... so there should be a birth registration for this one IF the trees are accurate, and not just all copied one from the other


                for example ...................

                http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/125...rson/672734661

                Tree owner:- DeborahDyke19
                My parents at my brother's wedding, March 1952

                Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                  #9
                  Thank you for responding Sylvia.

                  I see from the trees I looked at they don't show any brothers or sisters. I have found Frances and Mary on the 1841 Census and it shows their four youngest children but no sign of a Thomas. Wonder why the trees don't show brothers and sisters. Shall have a search to see if I can find any reference to his birth on the GRO. Will come back if I find anything. Thank you again.

                  PS I had a look at the Clark Harris family tree which is owned by someone in Australia. He gives details of some of Francis and Mary Ann's other children. I have found a GRO reference for a Thomas Raymon born during the September quarter of 1839 at Tavistock. I have sent a message to the owner of the Clark Harris tree and hopefully will be able to gleen further info. Fingers crossed.
                  Last edited by Linda from Murton; 19-03-13, 21:35.
                  Linda - Happy Hunting

                  A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

                  Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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                    #10
                    Linda .............

                    the tree that I gave the link to, Deborah Dyke's, has the following children for Francis and Mary


                    Nicholas RAYMOND 1819 –
                    Richard Rich RAYMOND 1824 – 1871
                    Francis Raymond 1825 – 1900
                    Mary RAYMOND 1827 –
                    Isaac RAYMOND 1830 –
                    Cullam Raymond 1833 –
                    John RAYMOND 1835 –
                    Thomas Raymond 1840 –



                    do they fit with what you have, apart from Thomas?????



                    sylvia
                    My parents at my brother's wedding, March 1952

                    Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                      #11
                      Hello Sylvia, these names fit exactly with my tree, except for Thomas (my tree is not on Ancestry, I don't publish it on the web). A while ago, however, I gave details of my tree to a relative and I think they uploaded it to Ancestry because I've seen many details on other trees which have been copied. Even as far as photographs.

                      I have sent for a copy of Thomas' birth certificate. It will be interesting to see who the parents are. If he is the son of Francis and Mary at least I should be able to find out what Mary's maiden name was.

                      Thank you for responding. I shall keep everyone posted.
                      Linda - Happy Hunting

                      A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

                      Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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                        #12
                        Hi Linda

                        It may be worth contacting Yvonne Holliday (EDIT: please PM Dermot for the email address) who is the Online Parish Clerk representative for Mary Tavy (http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html) . If they married in Mary Tavy parish Yvonne may well have access to the records. Whitchurch does not seem to have a representative presently.

                        Dermot

                        EDIT: Sorry... only just spotted this... our T&Cs don't allow email addresses on the open forum - even though they may be published elsewhere. Christine in Herts
                        Last edited by Christine in Herts; 30-03-13, 22:22.

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                          #13
                          Thank you for that suggestion dermotdjt. I shall certainly contact Yvonne. Francis and Mary's eldest child was born at Mary Tavy so it may well be that they married there. Fingers crossed.
                          Linda - Happy Hunting

                          A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

                          Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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                            #14
                            Good morning everyone from a snowy Co. Durham.

                            dermotdjt - no response yet from Yvonne - expect she is worked off her feet.

                            Don't you get excited when the postman bring that buff coloured envelope which you just know contains a birth certificate. Savoured the moment then read the details. Thomas Raymon was born on the 31 August 1839 at Torr in Whitchurch, Devon. His parents were Nicholas Reymon and Jane Reymon (nee Piercy). So rather than Francis Raymond and Mary Ann's youngest child he is the eldest child of Francis and Mary's eldest son Nicholas.

                            So back to the drawing board - still dont know when Francis Raymond (1795-1874) and Mary Ann (1794-1871) were married nor Mary Ann's maiden name.

                            Got to say thank you everyone for responding and trying to help with my query.
                            Last edited by Linda from Murton; 29-03-13, 08:58. Reason: Thank you
                            Linda - Happy Hunting

                            A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

                            Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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                              #15
                              sorry about that, Linda! :(:(

                              It always a guess when looking at an ancestry tree whether they are correct or incorrect!

                              It's becoming so that incorrect is more common than correct!
                              My parents at my brother's wedding, March 1952

                              Researching Cadd, Schofield, Cottrell in Lancashire, Buckinghamshire; Taylor, Park in Westmorland; Hayhurst in Yorkshire, Westmorland, Lancashire; Hughes, Roberts in Wales.

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                                #16
                                No problem Sylvia - at least I have found another child for Nicholas and Jane. Looking at some of the other trees on Ancestry, there really is a lot of misinformation out there. I've given up making comments to advise people about correcting their errors.

                                Have a nice Easter everyone. :o
                                Linda - Happy Hunting

                                A tidy house is the sign of a broken computer

                                Researching: Brown, Bell, Key and Musgrave from Cumberland. Dodds, Green, Campbell, Hall, Armstrong, Davison from Co. Durham. Raymond from Devon/Cornwall.

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