Help finding someone on 1911 census

[Golden Oldie]

Hello
Could someone help me find a couple of relatives on 1911 census

Henry Wynn born1893 in Woolwich London

Charlotte Wynn born 1861 in Woolwich (nee Chipperfield) his mother

I cant find them at all and they have always lived in this area

I would appreciate any help
Thank you
Ann

[Katarzyna]

Sorry Ann, I can't see them on the 1901 census either. What was his father's occupation or was Charlotte a widow?

[Darksecretz]

Any other family members Golden Oldie ? husband? other children? I think I have found her in 1891 with husband Richard and two other children but not sure if it's 'your' Charlotte.

[Darksecretz]

oops misread the OP thought it was the 1901 census you were after!!... [which I've found them on]

[Gwyn in Kent]

I couldn't find my ancestor, Charlotte in her birth area in an earlier census. She married in the city soon after that and I'm fairly certain she is the unaccounted for person listed as Charles.....

[Katarzyna]

Where and how named on the 1901 census Darksecretz I've searched every combo I can think of!

[Golden Oldie]

Yes that is my Charlotte in 1891. She is on 1901 census living with James Coombes as his wife so under the name Coombes. In 1902 she is in the workhouse with her children but back to the surname Wynn for herself and one son Henry.Other children have the surname Coombes.

I have nothing else on Charlotte until 1939, and Henry until 1915 when he marries Louisa Sumner.
I just cant find them in the intervening years. Charlottes husband (the real one Richard)is out of it as Ive found him in workhouses etc.
Thank you
Ann

[Katarzyna]

1921 census
7 Marshalls Grove, Woolwich, S E 18

Charlotte Wynn Head Female 1862 58 Plumstead, London, England Home Duties -
Gertrude Wynn Daughter Female 1904 17 Greenwich, London, England Nurse Maid Private

[Katarzyna]

1921 census
19, Frimley Street, Woolwich, London & Kent, England

First and Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer

Henry Wynn Head Male 1894 27 Woolwich, Kent, England Timber Surveyor J Watt Somerset Packing Cose Makers
Louiza Wynn Wife Female 1888 33 Woolwich, Kent, England - -
Marie Louiza Wynn Daughter Female 1916 5 Woolwich, Kent, England - -
Margaret Ellen Wynn Daughter Female 1914 7 Woolwich, Kent, England - -

[Darksecretz]

Where and how named on the 1901 census Darksecretz I've searched every combo I can think of!

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/4131536:7814

oops sorry been cleaning in kitchen! Golden Oldie have you also got the workhouse info where it says that Richard had deserted them?

[Darksecretz]

Yes that is my Charlotte in 1891. She is on 1901 census living with James Coombes as his wife so under the name Coombes. In 1902 she is in the workhouse with her children but back to the surname Wynn for herself and one son Henry.Other children have the surname Coombes.

I have nothing else on Charlotte until 1939, and Henry until 1915 when he marries Louisa Sumner.
I just cant find them in the intervening years. Charlottes husband (the real one Richard)is out of it as Ive found him in workhouses etc.
Thank you
Ann

Did you also see that Richard Alexander died in WWI? his medal cards were sent to his sister [he also left a will too] a Miss E M Wynn, Manor House, Wick, Devises.

[Golden Oldie]

Thank you for everything. I will follow it all up.
I did wonder about Richard Alexander Wynn. The reason being was that I couldnt think who his sister was. I did have an Eleanor who I have as died in 1909 but perhaps I got that wrong
Thank you all
Ann

[Darksecretz]

Here you go Golden Oldie it was Emily Mary Wynn.. you can get the will for £1.50




Richard Alexander Wynn.jpg

[Golden Oldie]

Thank you Darksecretz. I havent got an Emily so I will go back to Ancestry. I am doubting if I have the right Richard but I will keep on.
Regards
Ann

[Darksecretz]

Thank you Darksecretz. I havent got an Emily so I will go back to Ancestry. I am doubting if I have the right Richard but I will keep on.
Regards
Ann

That's ok, shout up if you need more help. Just a thought do you think that Emily could have been born earlier/when they first married?

[Katarzyna]

Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Richard Alexander Wynn
1884
Birth quarter 4
Volume 1D
Page 1189
District Woolwich
Mother's maiden name Chipperfield

Mary Emily Wynn
1882
Birth quarter 3
Volume 1D
Page 1147
District Woolwich
Mother's maiden name Chipperfield

[Golden Oldie]

Katarzyna, You are brilliant. It seems that Richards will had the sisters name back to front
Going onto to Ancestry to see what I can find
Regards
Ann

[Darksecretz]

Golden Oldie

I'll just put these here:

GRO Reference: 1882 S Q WYNN, MARY EMILY WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1147 mmn CHIPPERFIELD

dec q 1884 Wynn Richard Alexander Woolwich 1d 1189 mmn chipperfield

dec q 1886 Wynn Eleanor Woolwich 1d 1225 mmn Chepperfield

mar q 1889 Wynn Adelaide Woolwich 1d 1301 mmn chipperfield mmn chipperfield

jun q 1891 Wynn Amy Woolwich 1d 1243 mmn chipperdield

mar q 1894 Wynn Henry Woolwich 1d 1270 mmn chipperfield

Albert Wynn 1896 cannot find a record of his birth either as a wynn or coombes/coombs

1898 Coombes Jessie Woolwich 1d 1218 mmn tuberfield

sep 1901 Wynn William Greenwich 1d 1152 mmn chipperfield

1904 wynn gertrude greenwich 1d 1132 mmn chipperfield

[Darksecretz]

Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Richard Alexander Wynn
1884
Birth quarter 4
Volume 1D
Page 1189
District Woolwich
Mother's maiden name Chipperfield

Mary Emily Wynn
1882
Birth quarter 3
Volume 1D
Page 1147
District Woolwich
Mother's maiden name Chipperfield

aha..lol you pipped me to the post... been checking and cross reffing the births under all names...

I cannot find a birth ref for Albert though or even a bapt! b. 1896 woolwich [apparently]

[Katarzyna]

WYNN, AMY mmn CHIPPERDIELD
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1243 ( Amy was in Woolwich workhouse on her own age 5 on 9 Mar 1897)


Not sure which Army record is which Richard. Would he have changed regiments???

Name Richard Alexander Wynn
Age in 1911 25
Estimated Birth Year abt 1886 ?
Birth Place Woolwich, Kent, England
County/Island Military
Country England
Rank Sergeant
Military Unit 2/ Bn P A Somersetshire Lt Infantry
Registration District Number 641
ED, institution, or vessel Malta
Piece 34986