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[Kernan]

I am trying to find the parents of my German ancestor, Frederick Ernst.
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Here are his details (Not all of it, more is Below):
He was born in February of 1824 in the Kingdom of Saxony (Now Saxony, Germany).
He married Clementine Dörfeldt (born in August of 1836) around 1857.
They had Several children in Germany until Immigrating to The US (New Jersey) in 1872.
They had More Children in the US.
Frederick Ernst died around 1901 In Paterson, New Jersey.
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I’ve figured out some details of what happened, but I can’t solve still.
Detail 1:
He immigrated with his family to England First (Unknown Ship and Date), then England to The US onboard the SS Canada during November of 1872 (Date of Arrival: Nov 13, 1872)

Date: Nov 1872
Ship: Canada

Ernst F (Ernst Frederick) Age: 48 (born 1824)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FK3T

Ernst C (Ernst Clementina) Age:36 (born 1836)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FK3Y

The next page continues with the children of the couple as:
Ernst Ann (Ernst Annie) Age: 11 (Born 1861)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FK3B

Ernst Age:10 (born: 1862)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FK31

Ernst Meta (Ernst Clara Meta) Age:7 (born: 1865)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FKQM

Ernst Cleman (Ernst Clement) Age: 5 (born: 1867)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FKQ9

There are 2 infants with no information:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FKQ3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-FKQS

The birthdates are not accurate (estimates).

SS Canada: http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=cana1

Detail 2:

I found out that he wandered away in April of 1901, from his home in Paterson, New Jersey. The last mention of him ever recorded of this was on May 7, 1901. After this, I can‘t anything on his Disappearance or Death.

Newspaper 1:
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/1132...d-man-missing/
Newspaper 2:
https://www.newspapers.com/image/524603115/terms=Ernst%20Missing&match=1

Detail 3:
I paid the New Jersey Archives for 2 death Records, one of Clementine (1915) and Frederick Ernst (1901). I got a reply and they said they had a death record for Clementine, but not Frederick as there wasn’t one who matched Frederick’s Age. They gave a close match though, but it was of a Young Baby who died.

Clementine Ernst: https://ibb.co/nLShvjz

Frederick Ernst - No Record: https://ibb.co/353PTgh

Frederick Ernst - Death Record: https://ibb.co/JztVdWx

Detail 4:
I know that Frederick’s parents were born in Saxony because of the 1880 Census:

1880 Census:
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/1006350mark=f19dec0a4af16033e061b4069d057c947e0a76 ccb9c3e92e7b1c5d7da0820ab9

Detail 5:
They had a Daughter called Thekla Ernst. She was born in 1861 in Mülsen, Zwickau, Saxony, Germany.
Proof: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...4-99ZW-L?i=118
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I would appreciate any help and advice.

[PhotoFamily]

For those needing US1880, US1900 and NJ1885, here's the link for FS
https://www.familysearch.org/search/....surname=ernst

I love the details in the 1900. Note that he does not indicate that he naturalized*, gives month and year of birth (Feb 1824). On the next page, Clementina indicates she is the mother of 11, 8 still living.

Son Richard has naturalized. Unfortunately, naturalization records prior to 1906 usually don't have a lot of info, but leave no stone unturned.

Son John was born in NJ. I have no idea how well-recorded BMD records were in NJ, but if you can find it...

This appears to be your man on FamilySearch's FamilyTree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...tails/M456-Z26


* He was naturalized - the record is linked to his page on FamilyTree

[PhotoFamily]

So it looks like you already know about his burial (findagrave page). Have you asked the cemetery if they have any records regarding his death?
Yeah, here's the link for the cemetery's look up service, if you haven't already done that

https://www.holysepulchretotowa.org/find-a-grave

Not sure what they would have - maybe a burial permit, info about who purchased the plot - but if they have the name of the funeral director, you could try to see if that funeral home still exists and still has records. I've had good luck with funeral home records twice.

There are a couple of FTF members who know German records. Hope they'll chime in. Adding something about Germany might catch their attention (a moderator could do that?)


My experience with NJ is that it's difficult to locate and retrieve records. You've looked for an obit? Tried to find community specific newspapers that might have carried one? What about his church? The archivist for the denomination may be able to do a look up for you. It looks like a Catholic cemetery, so there's a good chance that church records still exist.

[kylejustin]

how do you know thekla was b.1861 in mulsen, saxony? the link to the passenger list doesn't say anymore than she was german, living in passaic. if you have some proof she was born in mulsen, you will need to hire a researcher in germany to try and locate her birth record. you also need to be sure you want the kingdom of saxony, and not the province of saxony, as these are two separate regions, one in north central germany, and the other in the south. german records are generally quite detailed. but german records are not generally online, unless familysearch or ancestry has added some spotty coverage.

you also need to know whether your ancestors were lutheran or catholic, as this may impact surviving records.

the kindom of saxony sits in eastern germany, next to poland, with the czech republic (kingdom of bohemia) to it's south. looks like civil registration in saxony began in 1871, when the kingdom of prussia united the german territories into the german empire. before this you'll be looking for baptism, burials and marriages. but these should have the same detail as civil records. the capital was dresden which was heavily bombed in the war, i'm not sure about other parts of the kingdom- this could impact finding records.

i see there is also a reddit thread you've posted on: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/c..._grandparents/

did you end up looking through those registers suggested to you?

[Katarzyna]

Frederick travelled from Hamburg to Hull (England) on 26 Oct 1872 before moving on to Liverpool.
Frederick, Clemantine and 4 children??

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/5064320:1068?_phsrc=JND652&_phstart=successSource&gsln=ern*&ml_rpos=34&queryId=ff4581cd099625d943720216c069e7ca

Transmigration:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/transmigration.shtml

[PhotoFamily]

kylejustin The cemetery in Paterson is Catholic, so I think it's reasonable to think they were Catholic.

Kernan going back to Catholic records - I would guess that since you have an address for them in the 1900, that you could possibly identify the parish that they belonged to, and contact the archivist for any related family records. Also, in the search for an obit, identifying a local newspaper for their community may be key. Additionally, it may be important to find one in their native language. Finding the local resource that has those would be key. Usually, I look for the local historical and/or genealogical society (often meet in same place) - which may be connected to the local library. I've found local librarians and societies to be very helpful.

Oh, and - not all historical papers are online.