Jane Wallace - born Ireland

[BEARGER]

Anyone got access to Irish records. I’m looking for the birth of Jane Wallace b. Abt 1849, parents Thomas Wallace & Susan Wallace m.s. Baird. Jane married James Gibb in Glasgow in 1871, I have her on the census for that year where it states place of birth as Belfast.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

I think you may have to look for a baptism record. According to GRONI (General register office Norther Ireland) they only hold births registered from 1 January 1864 in what is now Northern Ireland. Do you know what denomination the family were?

[PhotoFamily]

agree that knowing their denomination would be useful.

I don't think irishgenealogy.ie has the records that you need

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/church-records/about/what-church-records-are-available-online

rootsireland.ie - I think you need a sub even to search, but it can be a short duration.

Posting on Elwyn's thread may be helpful

Ireland can be hard!

[PhotoFamily]

no way this could be she?

Jane Wallace

Female

1848

Belfast, Ireland

Birth

British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

63

47

GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

[Janet in Yorkshire]

An interesting find, PF

[Elwyn]

Statutory registration of births only started in Ireland in 1864 (in contrast to 1837 for England & Wales and 1855 for Scotland). So for a birth around 1849 you are searching for a baptism record. As has been mentioned to do that you need to know the precise denomination. Not every church has records for the 1840s, and of those that do, not all are on-line.

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church. So what denomination did Jane marry in, in 1871? That will tell you which denomination to search in Belfast. RC records are mostly on-line on the nli site:

https://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx

For other denominations, the churches usually hold the originals but there are also copies in PRONI, the public record office, in Belfast. A personal visit is required to access them. Access to the records there is free. This link explains what records exist, parish by parish:

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records

If you are unable to go yourself, you could employ a researcher. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net

The 1871 marriage certificate should also tell you whether Jane's parents were still alive at that date. (If dead it should say "dcd" after their name. If alive it will say nothing. ). That and her father's occupation may help locate them in Belfast or wherever.

[BEARGER]

no way this could be she?

Jane Wallace

Female

1848

Belfast, Ireland

Birth

British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

63

47

GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

Can you tell me where this is from? No parents names given?

Got this from FMP

First name(s)	Jane
Record's year range	1848
Sex	Female
Volume	R.A.19
Last name	Wallace
Line number	63
Birth year	1848
Archive reference	REG2
Organisation	Armed Forces
Source	Gro Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 To 1924)
Country	Ireland
Record set	British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
Place	Belfast
Category	Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Page	47
Subcategory	Civil Births
Archive	General Register Office
Collections from	Great Britain, UK Other

[BEARGER]

I think you may have to look for a baptism record. According to GRONI (General register office Norther Ireland) they only hold births registered from 1 January 1864 in what is now Northern Ireland. Do you know what denomination the family were?

She married in a Presbyterian church in Glasgow.

[GallowayLass]

Can you tell me where this is from? No parents names given?

This is the full reference from FindmyPast. You’ll need to send to GRO for the birth certificate to find out the parents’ names.


First name(s) Jane
Sex Female
Last name Wallace
Birth year 1848
Organisation Armed Forces
Country Ireland
Place Belfast
Page 47
Archive General Register Office
Record's year range 1848
Volume R.A.19
Line number 63
Archive reference REG2
Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 To 1924)
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other

[BEARGER]

no way this could be she?

Jane Wallace

Female

1848

Belfast, Ireland

Birth

British nationals armed forces births 1761-2005

63

47

GRO Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 to 1924)

On FMP when I go into original document it states 1818 not 1848! Am I doing something wrong?

[GallowayLass]

This is a helpful article from TNA on what’s where and how to go about it.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-armed-forces/

[GallowayLass]

On FMP when I go into original document it states 1818 not 1848! Am I doing something wrong?

I had only clicked on transcript but I see now what you are seeing on the image of the index page. It does indeed say 1818 for the Jane who was born in Belfast and 1848 for the child above that who was born in Gibraltar and called George!
How blooming annoying
I think you will have to contact FMP helpline to get them to double check but it looks like they have made a transcription error.

[BEARGER]

This is the full reference from FindmyPast. You’ll need to send to GRO for the birth certificate to find out the parents’ names.


First name(s) Jane
Sex Female
Last name Wallace
Birth year 1848
Organisation Armed Forces
Country Ireland
Place Belfast
Page 47
Archive General Register Office
Record's year range 1848
Volume R.A.19
Line number 63
Archive reference REG2
Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices Supplement (1761 To 1924)
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, UK Other

Thank you I will do that.

[BEARGER]

Thanks all for the help. I have emailed FMP, but it looks like I’m out of luck in finding Jane. Certainly looks like a straightforward transcription error.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

Do you have a copy of Jane's marriage certificate? If so, what info does it have for her parents? Did they have any children born in Scotland, with birth certs recording their marriage details? (Wondering if tracking parents/siblings of Jane could give any clues.) As many of us have found out, info given on census returns is not always correct!

Was Jane the young lady who was a steam loom weaver, boarding with Mary Short in 1871 census?

[BEARGER]

Do you have a copy of Jane's marriage certificate? If so, what info does it have for her parents? Did they have any children born in Scotland, with birth certs recording their marriage details? (Wondering if tracking parents/siblings of Jane could give any clues.) As many of us have found out, info given on census returns is not always correct!

Was Jane the young lady who was a steam loom weaver, boarding with Mary Short in 1871 census?

Yes I believe so, correct name and only 5 minutes walk from where her proposed husband lived. On marriage cert they both give his address in George Street.

Jane parents on marriage cert are Thomas Wallace & Susan Wallace m.s. Baird they are not recorded as deceased.
Cannot find anything on SP for her parents. Have booked a space at records office in the new year, may get lucky.

[Janet in Yorkshire]

What was given for occupation of parents/father? Did they have any other children and if so, when and where were they born?

[BEARGER]

What was given for occupation of parents/father? Did they have any other children and if so, when and where were they born?

Father was a railway brakeman. I can find no trace of mother & father anywhere or if they had other children. Assumed that they were from Ireland due to Jane saying born Belfast on census. I have looked at SP just in case they were originally from Scotland but no joy.

[PhotoFamily]

On FMP when I go into original document it states 1818 not 1848! Am I doing something wrong?

I pulled it from FamilySearch

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68KF-MG18

Sorry I didn't give the link initially.

[BEARGER]

I pulled it from FamilySearch

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68KF-MG18

Sorry I didn't give the link initially.

Thanks, I have asked FMP to check out the dates, but think 1818 is probably correct.