Cannot find Parents/Siblings at all!

[cbcarolyn]

Looked at the Daniel linked to the Lords family in 1841. Lord family in G!ouces 1851, f William, m Betsy and Son William

Elizabeth Lord mn Warner m Joseph Davis 1819 Gloucester
Elizabeth Davis m William Lord in 1837s

Looks possible Daniel is the son who went to USA



Vera

the obit says his parents were Joseph and Elizabeth (Warner) Davis so looks like you have solved the mystery.

If Samuel died in 1835, some of the children were still young so she could well have remarried.

[cbcarolyn]

there are a few Joseph marriages that could fit

no age on this one, Hannah Davis a witness

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4994/images/40458_316971-00265?treeid=165406040&personid=282393152072&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi54346&_phstart=successSource&pId=1775898

could be them here 1841

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/WARHO107_1128_1129-0219?treeid=165406040&personid=282393152072&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi54372&_phstart=successSource&pId=15879886

and here 1851

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/WARHO107_2062_2062-0880?pId=9311621

....can't find a Samuel or Teresa atm with Chamberlain as MMN so could be way out

Age a couple of years out, there is a Mary as a Witness

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4994/images/40458_316868-00421?treeid=165406040&personid=282393152072&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi54343&_phstart=successSource&pId=4125435

[Darksecretz]

Joseph and Ann Davis
1841 England Census
Ancestry.co.uk - Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937

Warwickshire Baptisms Image | findmypast.co.uk
Warwickshire Baptisms Image | findmypast.co.uk

Vera

Brilliant vera2013 thank you. I can't see the FMP ones as I don't have a sub to that. Having children Samuel and Teresa certainly seem to be heading in the right direction and there is a Daniel with him too... as a Shoemaker App... thank you. x

[Darksecretz]

Do the dates on the burial record fit with the Teresa in the RC baptism I found in the same church as the one for a Lucy?

Yes Teresa was 3 years old when she was buried.. I have fired off an email to the church to see if Samuel/Sarah are buried together they were both buried on Oct 01.

[Darksecretz]

Looked at the Daniel linked to the Lords family in 1841. Lord family in G!ouces 1851, f William, m Betsy and Son William

Elizabeth Lord mn Warner m Joseph Davis 1819 Gloucester
Elizabeth Davis m William Lord in 1837s

Looks possible Daniel is the son who went to USA
Vera

thank you for checking this out.

[Darksecretz]

there are a few Joseph marriages that could fit

no age on this one, Hannah Davis a witness

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4994/images/40458_316971-00265?treeid=165406040&personid=282393152072&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi54346&_phstart=successSource&pId=1775898

could be them here 1841

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8978/images/WARHO107_1128_1129-0219?treeid=165406040&personid=282393152072&usePUB=true&_phsrc=fVi54372&_phstart=successSource&pId=15879886

and here 1851

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8860/images/WARHO107_2062_2062-0880?pId=9311621

....can't find a Samuel or Teresa atm with Chamberlain as MMN so could be way out

Age a couple of years out, there is a Mary as a Witness

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...ce&pId=4125435

Thanks cbcarolyn I'm not quite sure what to think with Joseph, I have the two marriages where he is both a widower.. so he'd need to be married before 1837 for him to be a widower in his second marriage in 1837 to Ann Chamberlain?..

[cbcarolyn]

1861

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/21201849:8767

1871
she is now a widow

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/6748525:7619?ssrc=pt&tid=165406040&pid=282393677721

[vera2013]

Brilliant vera2013 thank you. I can't see the FMP ones as I don't have a sub to that. Having children Samuel and Teresa certainly seem to be heading in the right direction and there is a Daniel with him too... as a Shoemaker App... thank you. x

I will look further into FM P baps

They are of a mother named Ann Davis who baps children Lucy Davis and Ellen Davis on 1823/1824 at Stude ley. These baps also on Free Reg. Not sure where Ann Davis fits in. No father recorded but not recorded as being illegitimate.
Ann Davis was a needle women. Residence same as that for Joseph and Ann on 1841 ie Green Lane, Sutton Coldfield. Bit tight for a 3rd wife of Samuel.

There is a death for a Daniel Davis 1846 Aston reg aged 24. Can't see a PR

Vera

[cbcarolyn]

Thanks cbcarolyn I'm not quite sure what to think with Joseph, I have the two marriages where he is both a widower.. so he'd need to be married before 1837 for him to be a widower in his second marriage in 1837 to Ann Chamberlain?..

I couldn't find an earlier marriage, he is all over the place with age, even on the 2 census that is I am sure is the same Joseph, if not yours.

I did find a birth in Aston of a Samuel with mmn as chambers

[cbcarolyn]

this could be the first marriage of Joseph Davis, but as no fathers name haven't a clue really

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=51775564

Myrtilla Capener, there is a death for her Jan 1837, and Samuel married again at the end of the year!

First name(s) Myrtilla
Last name Davis
Birth year 1805
Age 32
Death year 1837
Burial year 1837
Burial date 23 Jan 1837
Place Aston
Church St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

[Darksecretz]

I will look further into FM P baps

They are of a mother named Ann Davis who baps children Lucy Davis and Ellen Davis on 1823/1824 at Stude ley. These baps also on Free Reg. Not sure where Ann Davis fits in. No father recorded but not recorded as being illegitimate.
Ann Davis was a needle women. Residence same as that for Joseph and Ann on 1841 ie Green Lane, Sutton Coldfield. Bit tight for a 3rd wife of Samuel.

There is a death for a Daniel Davis 1846 Aston reg aged 24. Can't see a PR
Vera

Thank you, it is very much appreciated.

I couldn't find an earlier marriage, he is all over the place with age, even on the 2 census that is I am sure is the same Joseph, if not yours.

I did find a birth in Aston of a Samuel with mmn as chambers

Yes I found that too this afternoon, I did wonder if it were their son Samuel but someone put chambers instead of chamberlain?

this could be the first marriage of Joseph Davis, but as no fathers name haven't a clue really

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...e&pId=51775564

Myrtilla Capener, there is a death for her Jan 1837, and Samuel married again at the end of the year!

First name(s) Myrtilla
Last name Davis
Birth year 1805
Age 32
Death year 1837
Burial year 1837
Burial date 23 Jan 1837
Place Aston
Church St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
County Warwickshire
Country England
Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

ooooo what a name, Myrtilla... but could be a probable... I'm not ruling anything out atmo.

[cbcarolyn]

Thank you, it is very much appreciated.



Yes I found that too this afternoon, I did wonder if it were their son Samuel but someone put chambers instead of chamberlain?



ooooo what a name, Myrtilla... but could be a probable... I'm not ruling anything out atmo.

that's why her death was so easy to find!

[Darksecretz]

it's a bit like Marilla from Green Gables.. which is what it reminded me of.

[cbcarolyn]

....i don't even know what that is!

[Darksecretz]

....i don't even know what that is!

Have you not read 'Anne of green gables' ? or seen 'Anne with an 'e' on Netflix?

Marilla & Matthew Cuthbert are the siblings that adopt Anne from the orphanage.

[Darksecretz]

Thank you, it is very much appreciated.
Yes I found that too this afternoon, I did wonder if it were their son Samuel but someone put chambers instead of chamberlain?
ooooo what a name, Myrtilla... but could be a probable... I'm not ruling anything out atmo.

that's why her death was so easy to find!

Myrtilla [wife of Joseph] burial: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageview...&pId=452874360

[vera2013]

Possible for Sarah

marriage1837 to William Bates. Witnesses Joseph and Hannah Davis
Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 - Ancestry.co.uk

1851 census
1851 England Census - Ancestry.co.uk

Vera

[Darksecretz]

Possible for Sarah

marriage1837 to William Bates. Witnesses Joseph and Hannah Davis
Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 - Ancestry.co.uk

1851 census
1851 England Census - Ancestry.co.uk

Vera

ooooh thank you vera2013 that looks very promising Joseph and Hannah could be Sarah's siblings, Joseph wouldn't have been married at all at this point so is looking favourable. you are a star!

[cbcarolyn]

wonder if William is a cousin/distant cousin? i can't find population numbers in 1851

[Darksecretz]

wonder if William is a cousin/distant cousin? i can't find population numbers in 1851

no clue!