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margaretmarch
23-04-15, 17:32
Hi everyone,
I am trying to tie up loose ends on my tree and have been looking at a great uncle William Henry Devereux born 2 Dec 1862, Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire. He is on the censuses 1871 here (http://http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7619/GLSRG10_2677_2681-0241/27729304?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1871%26h%3d27729304%26ti%3 d5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t581506 96_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d42030265288z0q26pgz0q3d32 768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t58150696_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d4203026528 8z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord) and 1881 here (http://http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7572/GLSRG11_2574_2578-0913/6417555?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1881%26h%3d6417555%26ti%3d 5538%26indiv%3dtry%26gss%3dpt%26ssrc%3dpt_t5815069 6_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d42030265288z0q26pgz0q3d327 68z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&ssrc=pt_t58150696_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d4203026528 8z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid&backlabel=ReturnRecord) with his mother Ellen but then disappears.

I found this today http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1635/30796_125481__471-00494/3146877?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk %2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3frank%3d1%26new%3d1%26ssrc%3dpt_t58 150696_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d42030265288z0q26pgz0q 3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1%26MSAV%3d1%26gss%3dang s-g%26gsfn%3dWilliam%2bHenry%26gsln%3dDevereux%26msb dy%3d1862%26msbpn__ftp%3dTewkesbury%252c%2bGlouces tershire%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn__ftp%3dTewkesbury% 252c%2bGloucestershire%252c%2bEngland%26msrpn1__ft p%3dTewkesbury%252c%2bGloucestershire%252c%2bEngla nd%26msfng0%3dWilliam%26msfns0%3dDevereux%26msmng0 %3dEllen%26msmns0%3dClose%26cpxt%3d1%26catBucket%3 drstp%26uidh%3dar6%26_83004003-n_xcl%3df%26cp%3d2%26msbng0%3dHarriet%26msbns0%3dD evereux%26msbng1%3dHarriet%2bAnn%26msbns1%3dClose% 26msbng2%3dGeorge%2bHenry%26msbns2%3dDevereux%26pc at%3dROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3d3146877%26recoff%3d7%2b8% 2b9%26db%3dVictoriaPL%26indiv%3d1%26ml_rpos%3d37&ssrc=pt_t58150696_p42030265288_kpidz0q3d4203026528 8z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid_m1&backlabel=ReturnRecord for W H Devereux age 23 arriving in Melbourne on 1 Sep 1886 aboard the Harbinger.

Can I find out more about this chap to see if he is mine or not? If so where do I look?

Margaret

webwiz
23-04-15, 19:00
First name(s) William Henry
Last name Devereux
Sex Male
Marriage year 1897
Spouse's first name(s) Agnes Annie
Spouse's last name Doyle
State Victoria
Country Australia
Registration number 593

margaretmarch
23-04-15, 19:46
First name(s) William Henry
Last name Devereux
Sex Male
Marriage year 1897
Spouse's first name(s) Agnes Annie
Spouse's last name Doyle
State Victoria
Country Australia
Registration number 593

Thanks webwiz - where did you find that? I'm trying to find out what happened to him so would like to see if there are any censuses etc.

Can I get the marriage cert for the record you found?

Margaret

margaretmarch
23-04-15, 19:56
Thanks webwiz - where did you find that? I'm trying to find out what happened to him so would like to see if there are any censuses etc.

Can I get the marriage cert for the record you found?

Margaret

Have just downloaded the marriage record for that reference and see it's not my relative - this one was born in Abbotsford which must be in Australia and father is not correct.
Margaret

Val wish Id never started
23-04-15, 20:12
what was his occupation Margaret do you know ?

Val wish Id never started
23-04-15, 20:19
Margaret there is a William Devereux marrying in June quarter 1896 6a 893 Tewkesbury to either an Ellen Bunn or a Annie Edith Fowler could that be him ??

Chrissie Smiff
23-04-15, 20:45
I think this one might be that marriage Val, to Ellen Bunn. If so I imagine he is the one born in Tewkesbury in 1868.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/GLSRG13_2467_2469-0121/13346775?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.u k%2f%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3findiv%3d1%26db%3duki1901%26rank%3d 1%26new%3d1%26ssrc%3dpt_t31948455_p18152371835%26M SAV%3d1%26gss%3dangs-d%26gsfn%3dWilliam%26gsln%3dDevereux%26msbdy%3d186 3%26msbpn__ftp%3dTewkesbury%252c%2bGloucestershire %252c%2bEngland%26msbpn%3d83931%26msbpn_PInfo%3d8-%257c0%257c0%257c3257%257c3251%257c0%257c0%257c0%2 57c5265%257c83931%257c0%257c%26dbOnly%3d_F00079A7% 257c_F00079A7_x%252c_F0005DFC%257c_F0005DFC_x%252c _83004006%257c_83004006_x%252c_F0005DFB%257c_F0005 DFB_x%252c_F0007AD6%257c_F0007AD6_x%252c_F0006867% 257c_F0006867_x%252c_F0005C4F%257c_F0005C4F_x%252c _F0005E11%257c_F0005E11_x%252c_F0005906%257c_F0005 906_x%26uidh%3duo6%26msbdp%3d1%26pcat%3d35%26fh%3d 1%26h%3d13346775%26recoff%3d%26ml_rpos%3d2&ssrc=pt_t31948455_p18152371835&backlabel=ReturnRecord

Val wish Id never started
23-04-15, 22:13
oh right Chrissie

margaretmarch
24-04-15, 07:42
Margaret there is a William Devereux marrying in June quarter 1896 6a 893 Tewkesbury to either an Ellen Bunn or a Annie Edith Fowler could that be him ??

Can't be him as he disappears from censuses after 1881 and I have looked at all the possibles anyway.
Thanks for having a look though.
Margaret

vera2013
24-04-15, 07:50
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=william+henry&gsln=devereaux&msbdy=1863&msbpn__ftp=Tewkesbury%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+Englan d&msbpn=83931&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c83931% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=BMD_MARRIAGE&h=4650815&recoff=3+4+5&db=AusMarrIndex&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1&requr=2533549672529920&ur=0http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=william+henry&gsln=devereaux&msbdy=1863&msbpn__ftp=Tewkesbury%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+Englan d&msbpn=83931&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c83931% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=BMD_MARRIAGE&h=4650815&recoff=3+4+5&db=AusMarrIndex&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1&requr=2533549672529920&ur=0

What about this one

Wm H Devereaux married Emily Langford in Victoria in 1889

Reg No 1967

Vera

Tora
24-04-15, 09:54
There is a William Henry Devereux on the Victorian electoral roll for 1903 1906 and 1909 at 115 Swan St, Richmond, Victoria merchant with an Emily On 1912 he is a shopkeeper wife still with him and also a Harold. 1914 still same address with wife Harold and Lillian. You could try Trove government newspaper site which is for free.

Tora

margaretmarch
26-04-15, 09:37
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=william+henry&gsln=devereaux&msbdy=1863&msbpn__ftp=Tewkesbury%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+Englan d&msbpn=83931&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c83931% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=BMD_MARRIAGE&h=4650815&recoff=3+4+5&db=AusMarrIndex&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1&requr=2533549672529920&ur=0http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=william+henry&gsln=devereaux&msbdy=1863&msbpn__ftp=Tewkesbury%2c+Gloucestershire%2c+Englan d&msbpn=83931&msbpn_PInfo=8-%7c0%7c0%7c3257%7c3251%7c0%7c0%7c0%7c5265%7c83931% 7c0%7c&cpxt=1&uidh=326&_83004003-n_xcl=f&cp=2&pcat=BMD_MARRIAGE&h=4650815&recoff=3+4+5&db=AusMarrIndex&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1&requr=2533549672529920&ur=0

What about this one

Wm H Devereaux married Emily Langford in Victoria in 1889

Reg No 1967

Vera

Thanks Vera - got the image and that's not him either.

The only other clue I have and it may not be connected but William's brother George Henry Devereux is showing on a passenger list here http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=BT26&h=17774348&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t58150696_p42030265263_kpidz0q3d4203026526 3z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid coming back from USA.

Why George went to US and back I don't know - he resided all his life in UK so my thought was possibly to do with his brother but can find no trace in US or Canada for William Henry!

Margaret

margaretmarch
26-04-15, 11:38
There is a William Henry Devereux on the Victorian electoral roll for 1903 1906 and 1909 at 115 Swan St, Richmond, Victoria merchant with an Emily On 1912 he is a shopkeeper wife still with him and also a Harold. 1914 still same address with wife Harold and Lillian. You could try Trove government newspaper site which is for free.

Tora

I think that's the William Henry Vera found and I've confirmed it's not him.
Thanks for looking though.
Margaret

Christine in Herts
28-04-15, 23:54
This is the link to the Trove site in Australia - specifically three articles mentioning William Henry Devereux
http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q-field0=&q-type0=phrase&q-term0=William+Henry+Devereux&q-field1=title%3A&q-type1=all&q-term1=&q-field2=creator%3A&q-type2=all&q-term2=&q-field3=subject%3A&q-type3=all&q-term3=&q-year1-date=1881&q-year2-date=1962&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-availability=&l-discipline=&l-language=

They all relate to the will " dated May 1, 1893, and two codicils of later date, of Mary Ann Edwards, formerly of Sandringham, but late of 179 Domain-road. South Yarra, who died on November 15 1894" ... " £200 to William Henry Devereux, of Richmond, and £100 to Emily, his wife".

Lots of the bequests specify a relationship, but none is mentioned for WHD.

Christine

margaretmarch
29-04-15, 07:48
This is the link to the Trove site in Australia - specifically three articles mentioning William Henry Devereux
http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q-field0=&q-type0=phrase&q-term0=William+Henry+Devereux&q-field1=title%3A&q-type1=all&q-term1=&q-field2=creator%3A&q-type2=all&q-term2=&q-field3=subject%3A&q-type3=all&q-term3=&q-year1-date=1881&q-year2-date=1962&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-advformat=&l-availability=&l-discipline=&l-language=

They all relate to the will " dated May 1, 1893, and two codicils of later date, of Mary Ann Edwards, formerly of Sandringham, but late of 179 Domain-road. South Yarra, who died on November 15 1894" ... " £200 to William Henry Devereux, of Richmond, and £100 to Emily, his wife".

Lots of the bequests specify a relationship, but none is mentioned for WHD.

Christine

Thanks for this - I did spot that myself and I think he's the one Vera found and who I've now discounted having seen his marriage to Emily.
Thanks for looking.

I'm now going to have a more in depth look in Canada and USA in case he went there - just no sign of him on a passenger list!

Margaret

Christine in Herts
29-04-15, 23:47
Thanks for this - I did spot that myself and I think he's the one Vera found and who I've now discounted having seen his marriage to Emily.
Thanks for looking.

I'm now going to have a more in depth look in Canada and USA in case he went there - just no sign of him on a passenger list!

Margaret

It does look as if it's the same one, doesn't it.

I have a really frustrating thing in my tree: someone who was in England, then Canada and the USA. In one of his USA docs, he says exactly how and when he travelled from England to Canada... but he's on neither the passenger list nor the crew list for that crossing - nor a number of crossings either side. :(

Christine

margaretmarch
30-04-15, 07:42
It does look as if it's the same one, doesn't it.

I have a really frustrating thing in my tree: someone who was in England, then Canada and the USA. In one of his USA docs, he says exactly how and when he travelled from England to Canada... but he's on neither the passenger list nor the crew list for that crossing - nor a number of crossings either side. :(

Christine

Weird isn't it! Can't imagine that anyone would lie about something like that and in detail.
Margaret