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lennon2011
19-03-13, 20:14
I have a Joseph Thomas born in Stockton-on-tees and I have him in the 1881 census- doesn't say his age- i think he's 11 months as I have an 1881ish birth for him, he's not on the actual census but he's on the computerised one. Proof below marked as crop 1 added in this thread and 2 in another.

I have him in the 1891 census aged 10 and in 1901 he's 20 but after that he disappears.
Does anyone fancy the challenge of trying to find him?

Crop 1.
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lennon2011
19-03-13, 20:15
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Crop 2

Chrissie Smiff
19-03-13, 20:55
Are you sure that one isn't Jacob Thomas born June 1870 Stockton?

lennon2011
19-03-13, 21:08
Nup, Jacob is his brother. I have a picture of him here.
Plus Jacob is in earlier census records and bother Joseph & Jacob are in the 1891 census.

Elaine
19-03-13, 21:45
I could be totally off the mark but have you spotted a John in a later 'census' from Thornaby with the Vinder family, there is a poss other John from Thornaby in Middlesborough, a potter's printer, wonder what you think as this John is still in Stockton

lennon2011
19-03-13, 21:51
I spotted a John Joseph marraige and census but i'm sure he doesn't have a middle name. I went back to Stockton Roots and there's 2 birth records for Joseph & Jacob, there's an entry in 1870 & 1880 for both of them.

Elaine
19-03-13, 22:03
The marriage 1901 is a John Joseph to Rose Phillips or Elizabeth O'Connor, was just flicking between births as well!

Elaine
19-03-13, 22:15
Is Jacob a Chapman or is that all sorted

lennon2011
19-03-13, 22:21
That my dear Elaine is a mystery. In birth it's Thomas, a census says Chapman, another census has different children for Evan (Father) and there's no proven marraige for Evan & Mary. We have a thoery that they said they were married to spare the shame of having children out of wedlock as Mary is noted as the servant in one census.

The John Joseph- I'm hoping it's NOT a Phillips as the only sister Emily married George Phillips. I haven't found a Rose yet though.

Elaine
19-03-13, 22:37
Do you know who James Thomas is with Alfred Chapman:question:

lennon2011
19-03-13, 22:44
Your guess is as good as mine.
To make this easier I'm posting the main family.

Parents- Evan Thomas & Mary Chapman
Children: Alfred Chapman Thomas
Jacob Chapman Thomas
Thomas Thomas
Joseph Thomas
Emily Thomas

Now I have the family of Emily as she's my great grandmother, Jacob and I've just found 3 children for Thomas but I'm sure there's more so it may be that as I have got hints through Mundia that shows 2 more children that are listed as private.

Elaine
19-03-13, 22:48
Sorry with Pinder :silly: he married Jane Irven

Elaine
19-03-13, 22:53
I think James is William's son, ie William with the Chapman's

1901
RG13; Piece: 4584; Folio: 109; Page: 13

1891
RG12; Piece: 4050; Folio: 45; Page: 33

or maybe not, mother with them 1881, this is just going by James Stockton so head down again!

bcbrit
19-03-13, 22:55
Hello,

How about this in the 1911 ?

Joseph Thomas, 30, fitters labourer ( ship engineer trade )
Annie , 25, married 3 years
John Alfred , 2
Josepn 4 months

All born Stockton on Tees.

Address 5 Oxford Street, S. on Tees

bcbrit

lennon2011
19-03-13, 22:58
Funny I'd just print screened to show you the other Thomas names:
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I have no idea who the other children actually are. When I tried to find out I got the name Elizabeth Morgan as their mother but there's one little problem with that- it's the name of Evan's mother. Then I found that Evan's father was also named Evan and that 2 more children were born but they were named Thomas & Richard- I have their families.

bcbrit
19-03-13, 23:10
If that is the correct Joseph in the 1911 census, then this could be his marriage.

Joseph Thomas
Annie Doherty
March Q 1908
Stockton 10a - 120

bcbrit

Elaine
19-03-13, 23:13
Marriage

THOMAS Joseph Stockton Durham 1908 Jan-Feb-Mar to DOHERTY, Annie

Elaine
19-03-13, 23:13
snap:D

lennon2011
19-03-13, 23:19
wait there's an annie/joseph census in 1911 but due to the job description i thought it was a foreign joseph- Assistant Nelpeer Fraces.
When I did a search for that I got a lot of foreign text up.

lennon2011
19-03-13, 23:31
If that census is Joseph then it means that both Joseph & Jacob named their children John Alfred. I'm starting to wonder if the picture I have for Jacob's John is in fact Joseph's John..

Elaine
19-03-13, 23:38
Thomas Thomas of Beaumont Street

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Thomas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Age at enlistment: 33
Birth Parish: Stockton
Birth County: Durham
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 8724
Number of images: 2

brother Joseph 5 Oxford Street
Emily and Jacob mentioned, also his children, sadly killed in action 1915

lennon2011
19-03-13, 23:43
So he didn't die in 1943 then? That's the death I had for him.

Elaine
19-03-13, 23:52
Thomas married Mary Ellen Doherty, notes through files always says 2 children, they are Winifred and Thomas and all the details are there, Durham Light Infantry

Elaine
19-03-13, 23:57
There's stacks of pages, Emily is listed as

Emily Thomas 36 9 Neasham Street
Mother Mary 72 3 Lang Street with Jacob 49

Is this sitting right with the info you have for Emily

lennon2011
19-03-13, 23:57
Oh wait I'm mixed up now. I have that marraige for Thomas Thomas, the uncle lol.
I have the younger married to a lydia chilton with 5 children.

So the Uncle has 3 girls- Catherine M- 1881, Winifred- 1891 and another Evan- 1892.
I then have the younger nephew married to Lydia Chilton with 5 children and a death of 1943. Plus on Mundia there's a tree with all the family and the dates match.

Elaine
20-03-13, 00:00
Checked and the ages are given in the year 1919

Elaine
20-03-13, 00:07
He has the no. 8724 also

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Thomas Thomas
Birth Place: Stockton
Residence: Stockton
Death Date: 9 Aug 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Middlesbrough
Rank: Private
Regiment: Durham Light Infantry
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Number: 8725
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre

can't find anything CWGC

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas Thomas
Regiment or Corps: Durham Light Infantry
Regimental Number: 8725

Elaine
20-03-13, 00:28
Did Emily marry George Phillips?

Mary widow married 26 yrs I am looking at 1911 with grandau Phillips born Stockton, not sure where Thomas is

lennon2011
20-03-13, 10:38
So sorry for leaving you like that.

Emily did marry George Phillips and had 10/11 kids before dying of cancer in 1935.

I can't find a 1911 census for Thomas either. If he did die in the war then surely the other 2 children must have been born before 1915.

I think I may be wrong about Evan's birth as well as the census records don't actually have Evan on them, I think I got so frustrated about not having anything for him that I jumped at the first record I saw as it matched this other tree.

lennon2011
20-03-13, 21:52
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I've found him here and next time I'm in town I'll have a look at our memorial to see what I can get.

Elaine
20-03-13, 23:27
Thanks for the info, still can't spot Thomas 1901 and 1911.

lennon2011
20-03-13, 23:47
No idea myself. I had the Lydia/Thomas couple and now i can't find him either. I have the children from the war record and winnifred's marraige & death now.

lennon2011
21-03-13, 13:02
I'm starting to wonder if he was with Thomas or in the Navy. I know Jacob was in the Navy as we have a photo of him in uniform.

Elaine
21-03-13, 16:20
I thought much the same as his army records say he has served before

lennon2011
21-03-13, 17:55
I think I'll have to pop into the library and see what they have.

lennon2011
21-03-13, 22:23
So I've decided to do a general search in the military section of ancestry with just the surname Thomas & Stockton-on-tees, it's actually proven to be quite effective :D

lennon2011
23-03-13, 21:32
I thought I'd found a war record for him but there's an initial of J in the name.

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lennon2011
24-03-13, 14:36
Remember the 1911 census with Joseph, Annie & their children John Alfred & Joseph Junior?

Well I have the birth of John Alfred but I can't find anything on Joseph Junior which makes me wonder if they've made a mistake when writing out their census details.

http://www2.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?scan=1&r=120118398&d=bmd_1363644324 - John Alfred.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=freebmdbirth&h=54838104&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t45725931_p6953196334_kpidz0q3d6953196334z 0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid - John Alfred.