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  • I've gone thru the Irish census for 1901+1911 & put together the following Levitt & Levine families, so they're easier to see who's who…

    Wal'


    1901 Levitt families:

    Family Nº1: Address: 32, Lincoln Ave Clifton, Antrim 1901
    Nathan Levitt - Head age 35 Russia Merchant
    Florence Levitt - Wife - age 26 England
    Lillian Levitt daughter age 4 Dublin
    Edith Levitt daughter age 3 Dublin
    Estell Levitt daughter age ? Belfast
    Julius Levitt brother to head Russia commercial furniture unmarried
    Samuel Levitt brother to head Russia book-keeper

    Family Nº2: Address: 34, Loughans (High Street) Tullyish, Down 1901
    Sarah Levitt - Head - age 54 - Church of Ireland - Dublin - Worker in Thread Factory

    Family Nº3: Address: 2, Kilmoyly South Ballynorig Kerry 1901
    Thomas Levitt age 16 apprentice to head Catholic - Kerry - shoe maker

    Family Nº4: Address: 11, Harrington Street, Fitzwilliam, Dublin 1901
    Joseph Levitt - Head - age 30 Russia furniture dealer
    Tillie Levitt - wife - age 27 - England
    Nathaneal Levitt son age 5 - Dublin
    Israel Levitt son age 1 - Dublin

    Family Nº5: Address: 53, Grove Park, Rathmines Dublin 1901
    Louis Levitt - Head - age 30 - Russia - Commercial Traveller
    Caroline Levitt - wife - age 24 - Talmonth

    EDIT:
    Family 5A (missed one!) Address: 196, Old Lodge Road, Antrim
    Myer Myers - head - age 58 - Russia Butcher
    Annie Myers - wife - age 55 - Russia - Butcher
    Leah Myers - daughter - age 21 Russia - School
    Robert Myers - son - age 18 - Russia -Drapery Traveller
    Joe Myers - son - age 15 - Russia - School
    Myer Levit - Boarder - age 29 - Russia - Drapery Traveller


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    1901 Levine families:

    Family Nº6: Address: 18, Carlisle Street, Antrim 1901
    Maurice Levine - Head - age 40 - Russia - general draper
    Gertrude Levine wife - age 37 - Russia
    Harry Levine son - age 12 - Russia
    Samuel Levine son - age 11 - Russia
    Sarah Levine daughter - age 8 - Dublin
    Tillie Levine daughter - age 6 - Dublin
    Ethel Levine daughter - age 4 - Dublin
    Samuel Levine cousin - age 21 - Russia

    Family Nº7: Address: Military Camp Kildare 1901
    J Levine age 21 Co England

    Family Nº8: Address: 8, Bedeque Street Antrim 1901
    Waiff Cohen - head - age 65 - baker - Russia
    Malke Cohen - wife - age 60 - Russia
    Bernhard Cohen - son - age 35 - droper? - Russia
    Maria Cohen - wife - age 30 - Russia
    Rebecca Cohen - daughter - age 24 - Russia - dress maker
    Maria Cohen - daughter age 22 - Russia - dress maker
    Nelly Cohen - daughter - age 12 Russia
    David Cohen - son - age 10 - Belfast
    Annie Cohen daughter age 5 - Belfast
    Michael Cohen son - age 2 - Belfast
    Morris Levine - visitor - age 20 - Russia - Fowler?
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    1911 Levitt families:

    Family Nº 9: Address: 60, Grosvenor Road, Rathmines Rathgar West, Dublin 1911
    Joseph Ezekiel Levitt - head - age 40 - Dublin - merchant
    Lillie Levitt - wife age 39 - Russia
    Percy Israel Levitt - son - age 11 - Dublin
    Lionel Samuel Levitt - son - age 9 - Dublin

    Family Nº10: Address: 78, Leinster Road, Rathmines & Rathgar West, Dublin 1911
    Louis Levitt - head - age 39 - Russia - drapery business
    Caroline Levitt - wife - age 32 - England
    Wilbert Levitt - son - age 9 - Dublin
    Bertie Levitt - son - age 6 - Dublin

    Family Nº 11: Address: 11, Glenravel Street, Antrim 1911
    Barnett LEVIEN* - head - age 36 Russia - tailor
    Sarah Levien - wife - age 27 - Russia
    Jack Levien - son - age 7 - Belfast
    Mary Levitt - visitor - age 80 - Russia

    Family Nº12: Address: , Essex Quay, Dublin 1911
    Louis Levine - head - age 43 - Claud Russia - cabinet maker
    Sarah Levine - wife - age 38 - Russia
    Eli Levine - son - age 15 - Russia apprentice cabinet maker

    Family Nº13: Address: 44, Thorndale Ave, Clifton Antrim 1911
    Myer Levine - head - age 48 - Russia - draper
    Freda Levine - daughter - age 20 - Belfast
    Leah Levine - daughter - age 18 - Belfast
    Jacob Levine - son - age 16 - Belfast

    Family Nº14: Address: 32, Bedeque Street, Antrim 1911
    Nathan Levine - head - age 40 - Russia - cabinet maker
    Eva Levine - wife - age 38 - Russia
    Ethel Levine - daughter - age 17 - England - tayloress
    Sarah Levine - daughter - age 14 - England - Bookbinder
    Bessie Levine - daughter - age 12 - England

    Family Nº15: Address: 6, Borris in Ossory Town, Queen's Co. 1911
    Anne Murphy - head - age 66 - Queen's Co - dressmaker
    Philip Hyman Levine - lodger - age 26 - Russia - trading in jewellery

    Family Nº16: Address: 18.1, Barrack Street, Cappoquin, Waterford
    Residents of a house all seem to be young Catholic boys perhaps a home.
    Patrick Levine - age 9
    Michael Levine - age 8
    Simon Levine - age 7
    Tom Levine - age 9
    Joseph Levine - age 7

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    Last edited by Wallaby; 17-03-12, 21:56.
    We should never forget them,
    Because we would not be here today, but for them.
    We should be proud, reflect, respect and always remember them.
    Because we all have them…
    Them… were our Ancestors.

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    • Wal' You are an angel!

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      • I contacted somebody who has a link to the Levine family of Belfast thru the Jewish-Belfast website & I've just had this reply to my email below - copied to my HR thread too.


        G.P. advised me to contact you as I am a new member of Jewish Belfast researching a few Jewish names in Dublin & Belfast for myself & I'm also researching the Levine family on behalf of a friend who lives in the US.

        We have a David, Myer Levine, who used either David or Myer as his first name, but we call him David.

        David was married to Shulla nee Freeman/Freedman. Shulla died in 1903, David died in 1921.
        They are both buried in Belfast City Cemetery.

        Shulla was possibly known as Sheila/Shirley or Sarah.

        David & Shulla had the following children:

        Fanny, Edith Levine b 1897
        Harry, Louis Levine b 1889
        Freda Levine b 1891
        Leah Levine b 1893
        Jacob, Solomon aka Jack Levine b 1894

        I am writing a biography about my Friedman/Freedman/Freeman family & we strongly suspect that Shulla nee Freeman was a sister to my grandfather Louis Freeman.

        Do any of these names ring any bells for you, are you connected to this same Levine family ? If so, we have tonnes of information to share. If you would like to email me, I would be please to hear from you.

        Regards

        Reply:

        Hi Wallaby.



        It was good to hear from you. I really don't know these names but I will contact my father- B, who now lives in Tenerife. He is the son of Maurice Levine and Nelly ( nee hodes). I know there is a Freedman/Freeman connection in Maurice Levine's mother's family. I will get back to you as soon as I have more information.


        Regards

        J.



        Sounds promising.... :-)


        Wal'
        We should never forget them,
        Because we would not be here today, but for them.
        We should be proud, reflect, respect and always remember them.
        Because we all have them…
        Them… were our Ancestors.

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        • Looking good, Wal - i hope his dad can make some connection !!
          Jacky

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          • Originally posted by Tilly Mint View Post
            Looking good, Wal - i hope his dad can make some connection !!
            yes. me too.

            This Maurice has had me wondering for some time.




            Residents of a house 18 in Carlisle Street (Court Ward, Antrim)

            Show all information
            Levine Maurice 40 Male Head of Family Jew
            Levine Gertrude 37 Female Wife Jew
            Levine Harry 12 Male Son Jew
            Levine Samuel 11 Male Son Jew
            Levine Sarah 8 Female Daughter Jew
            Levine Tillie 6 Female Daughter Jew
            Levine Ethel 4 Female Daughter Jew
            Levine Samuel 21 Male Cousin

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            • The notice in the JC says..On the 28th August 1900 at 17, Longwood Avenue, S.C.R., Dublin, William, dearly beloved husband of Mrs Semi Levitt, father of Morris and Myer Levitt of Belfast, Nathan Levitt of 91 S.C.R, Louis Levitt of 11 Grove Park, Rathmines, Dublin and Julius and Sam Levitt of 17 Longwood Avenue, S.C.R. Deeply mourned, may his soul rest in peace.

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              • I cannot find BCs for the Myer and Shulla Levine children anywhere. Tried Levitt and Levit and Freeman as well. Is this common?
                Must be insane to keep trying this search without results! Tried ancestry, findmypast and family search. I'm back down to 0.

                These people had to leave home just to be documented!

                It's a bummer since I just read on wechtsman's thread that British BCs have the mother's maiden name.

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                • This gives a bit of background on the streets - Longwood is mentioned......

                  http://oconnellhouse.nd.edu/assets/39750/Ógradafdr.pdf
                  Jacky

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                  • Originally posted by Tilly Mint View Post
                    This gives a bit of background on the streets - Longwood is mentioned......

                    http://oconnellhouse.nd.edu/assets/39750/Ógradafdr.pdf
                    I have read O' Grada's "Irish Jews in the Time of Joyce" He is a wealth of socio-economic information, and does mention names at times. I'll have another look.

                    Thanks for this article. Great find.

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                    • Originally posted by Tilly Mint View Post
                      Yes the Florence 1 looks good....

                      LEVITT Nathan AMSELEM Florence Liverpool, Hope Place Synagogue Liverpool
                      Found this - but the site is not safe to enter - they are family trees by Mu***a

                      Florence Amselem

                      Born:
                      Lancashire, England

                      Lived in: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
                      Died: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
                      7 immediate family members including NATHAN and DOROTHY HANNAH
                      Found this in census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...treet/1347746/

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                      • irish Civil Registration Record

                        Is this from PRONI? Is Dublin office different than Belfast?


                        name: William Levitt
                        registration district: Dublin South
                        event type: DEATHS
                        registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1900
                        estimated birth year: 1839
                        age (at death): 61
                        mother's maiden name:
                        film number: 101601
                        volume number: 2
                        page number: 504
                        digital folder number: 4201705
                        image number: 00184
                        Last edited by lillebetta; 18-03-12, 17:59.

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                        • Is there a way to find where he is buried? (I'm not sure what PRONI is..)

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                          • Originally posted by naomiatt View Post
                            Is there a way to find where he is buried? (I'm not sure what PRONI is..)
                            William? I haven't had any luck. You would think in Dublin somewhere. He is not in Belfast which has decent records for free. I was hoping Dublin had the same.


                            Re: Maurice

                            Not in Belfast. I believe he went to NYC because of family story, but haven't found a trace.

                            Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. Dublin is different, as is GRO in the UK. I'm too quick to ask questions sometimes.
                            Last edited by lillebetta; 18-03-12, 22:03.

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                            • Bit confused now, have you not found births for Shulla and Myer's children? I thought some of them were born in Belfast or maybe even in England?? Anything that would fit under Levitt, Levi, Levy, Levine etc etc Any luck in the LG or BG with the various addresses mentioned in the death notice for William? If Louis Levitt is a sibling of Myer, he was in Longwood Avenue in 1896. In August, 1900 he was at 11 Grove Park, Rathmines, Dublin. Julius and Sam Levitt presumably lived with their parents at 17 Longwood Ave, Dublin, when William passed away. Morris and Myer were both in Belfast. Says Nathan of 91 S.C.R but doesn't give the name of a street.

                              If* William is the right man, the Hebrew for William is Zeev, same as the Hebrew name of Myer's father. Wallaby, how do you find a Jewish burial in Dublin, through 'your man'?? or is there another way to check.
                              Last edited by naomiatt; 19-03-12, 06:06.

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                              • Naomi,

                                I have NOT found birth certs for the kids of Shulla and Myer. Belfast births from 1911 census.
                                I too am sooooooo frustrated. I would bet that they are in the midwife list that SR has. These folks flew way under the radar.

                                I think Morris is Maurice wife Gertrude in 1901 census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.i...Avenue/962068/

                                I think Nathan,wife Florence in 1901 is in Belfast with Samuel and Julius.


                                Only Louis is missing, unless this is him in Dublin.



                                Getting BCs for the brothers' children might shed some light? Still looking and could use some help.

                                Possibly some emigrated, possibly used name Levine?
                                Last edited by lillebetta; 19-03-12, 22:28.

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                                • I don't have experience with Belfast birth records I'm afraid...but presume they're going to be under Levine, Levin or poss Levitt..

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                                  • Watson has found a tree with Levine/Freeman & a thousand other names, from Belfast & contacted the tree owner who has just emailed me, so my 6 million dollar question, ''what is the name of Shulla Freeman's parent" has just been sent & I'm waiting with my fingers crossed. Plus, hopefully some questions answered for Betta too. Will copy to Betta's Levine thread.


                                    Wal'
                                    We should never forget them,
                                    Because we would not be here today, but for them.
                                    We should be proud, reflect, respect and always remember them.
                                    Because we all have them…
                                    Them… were our Ancestors.

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                                    • Originally posted by Wallaby View Post
                                      Watson has found a tree with Levine/Freeman & a thousand other names, from Belfast & contacted the tree owner who has just emailed me, so my 6 million dollar question, ''what is the name of Shulla Freeman's parent" has just been sent & I'm waiting with my fingers crossed. Plus, hopefully some questions answered for Betta too. Will copy to Betta's Levine thread.


                                      Wal'
                                      Oh my dizzy again. No headache today at least, thank goodness.

                                      Your Watson is something Dr. Holmes.

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                                      • This just in: Synopsis of naturalisation docs for Levitt/ Levine Thank you ANN!

                                        Myer (David) Levine, formerly Levitt) my great grand father, born in *County of Rishane, Poland, 1861. (I had 1863 based on census)

                                        *Anyone have any idea what this place could be? Sounds irish to me?

                                        Parents: William and Shimeah, of Telsh in the Baltic Province of Kovno. Semi (from JC obit notice) is Shimeah!

                                        Children: Harry L. (Louis) 1897 (match), NOT born in Belfast, Presumably born in Poland/Russia
                                        Fanny E. (Edith) 1899 (match), same

                                        Florrie (aka Freda) 1891, (match) born in Belfast
                                        Leah 1993, (match) same
                                        Jacob S. (Solomon) 1894, (match) same

                                        Occupation: Draper In business with cousin Joseph


                                        Brothers:
                                        1 Morris Levitt 1892

                                        Address 6 Ontario Terrace, Rathmines, Dublin. Russian nationality. Born Plungyan(?), Kovno, Russia. Parents William and Shimche, both Russian. Date of birth 6 Nov 1861, occupation draper. Married, 2 children - Harris Lewis, 4 and Samuel Isaac, 2

                                        2 Louis Levitt 1892

                                        Address as above. Russian nationality. Birthplace and parents as above. Date of birth 10 June 1869 , occupation draper. Unmarried.

                                        3 Nathan Levitt 1892

                                        Address as above. Russian nationality. Birthplace and parents as above. Date of birth 2 June 1867, occupation draper. Unmarried.

                                        Cousin: How he is related is unknown. His father Nathan may be a brother of William, Myer's brothers and Joseph are all born in
                                        Plungyan, Kovno, Russia, The pale of settlement.

                                        4 Joseph Ezekiel Levitt 1892 ***Letter in file refers to Joseph and Myre Levine residing and carrying on business in Belfast wishing to be naturalised.***

                                        Address 1 Emorville Square, Dublin. Russian nationality. Born Plungyan, Kovno. Parents Nathan and Mirel, both Russian. Date of birth 4/8/1869, occupation draper. Unmarried.

                                        *Mystery man: may be related, but unknown

                                        5 Abraham Hyam Levinson, otherwise Abraham Freedman 1863

                                        Native of Calvaria(?), Poland, subject of the Russian Empire. Age 46, 5 children now living – 3 born in Poland, and 2 in England. All now living in England. Lived in England for around 10 years, carried on business in Merthyr Tydfil and adjoining parish of Aberdare. In early part of that period he was a Painter and Glazier, and for last 5 or 6 years has been a Pawnbroker. Carrying on business under the name Abraham Freedman – first name is his correct name and 2nd name is a translation. No info on parents. (documents say England but of course, Merthyr and Aberdare are in Wales!)

                                        * Monica, this may be be of value to you. Wasn't one of your Freedmans a Painter?
                                        Last edited by lillebetta; 29-03-12, 18:49.

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                                        • Telsh could/should be Telshi. From JewishGen I get ALSEDZIAI, Lithuania.

                                          Alsėdžiai, Lithuania
                                          56°02' N 22°03' E
                                          158 mi NW of Vilnius
                                          Alsėdžiai [Lith], Ol'siadi [Rus], Alshad [Yid], Alsiad [Yid], Olsiady [Pol], Alsyad, Alsėdžių, Al'sedzhyay, Alsedzhay, Alsiedē, Olshadi Alsėdžiai


                                          Soviet Union
                                          Alsėdžiai
                                          Telšiai

                                          Lithuania
                                          Olsiadi
                                          Telshi
                                          Kovno
                                          Russian Empire
                                          For details go to> http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/w...unity~-2612624

                                          family name researchers:

                                          Friedman
                                          Iavets Could be Levitt?
                                          Yovits Could be Levitt?

                                          Plunge is 11 miles from ALSEDZIAI/Telshi

                                          Last edited by lillebetta; 29-03-12, 19:40.

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