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Thread: Freemans, Levines of ireland? "Desperately Seeking Shulla" and her origins

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    Quote Originally Posted by annswabey View Post
    There's a naturalisation at the National Archives - might be him?

    HO 144/719/110413 Levine, Myre, from Russia. Resident in Belfast. Certificate 14336 issued 19 April 1904.
    The only place the name David shows up is at burial. It could be him. Thank you. The date makes sense, a year after Shula died.

    Is this something I can see online and/or order?
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    Oh. I'm blown away. That is him!? Leading a double life? Divorced? Oh. Oh. OH. The grave is certain. The rest is giving me a heart attack! Thank you. This mystery, this tsouris, this madness. I am hooked now!

    The parents listed for him are too young, the Musaphia children are impossible as well. He would have had to father the first at age ten! There is something erroneous about the relationships if there in fact any.
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    It's no good looking for David. Myer is the name he used. I have copies of the first two articles, but you may right about subscribing,
    especially if i want to delve further into his possible relations. Thank you.
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    You'll find the naturalisation details here:

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/s...archType=Quick

    There are two files; they clearly relate to the same person, but I have no idea if they'll contain the same or different information.

    If you click on the title of the file, it takes you to a page where you can request photocopies, and they'll send you an estimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary from Italy View Post
    You'll find the naturalisation details here:

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/s...archType=Quick

    There are two files; they clearly relate to the same person, but I have no idea if they'll contain the same or different information.

    If you click on the title of the file, it takes you to a page where you can request photocopies, and they'll send you an estimate.
    Excellent. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lillebetta View Post
    You folks are quick! Hi Naomi. These are great questions. Story says Levit/Levitt was changed by David Myer to Levine.

    I can't read Hebrew so I only have the translation of headstone I was given. Dovid Myer son of Zeev is what I was told with slightly different spelling which as I understand it is meaningless. I do have a picture of it. More family in Ireland? I feel certain of it, "feel" being the operative word.

    All I know is that they kept kosher. I assumed from the name that they were Levites, but now? The photo I have of Myer (that's how he was referred to and the name he used for business) made me think he was Sephardic when I first saw it years ago. It has only recently come into my possession which kicked off this quest.

    Fanny and Phillip married in Belfast 1910. David may have naturalized but I don't know. Shulla died in 1903. The three youngest kids were little. They moved to a nicer house. I'm sure he had domestic help. Leah and Freda were "helpless" in the kitchen as married women. They lived with their father, unmarried, until he died. They left six months later.

    It's quite a tale from there. I really want to get a sense of their lives in Belfast and the kind of family they were.

    My mother dredged up a memory today of visiting Freemans in New York. She wasn't sure but it must have been in the early to mid fifties.
    Hi - if you'd like to send me a photo of the stone off line I'll have a look. His father's name, in theory, would have been passed down through the family somewhere after he was deceased. Could be that Levit/t was meant to be Levite, although it usually shows as Levy or Levi, H'Levi on a stone or in religious documents. Some Ashkenazim definitely look Sephardic. I have the same on one side. I suppose they all moved around so much that it would be quite logical. Have you searched addresses, names etc in the Belfast Gazette and also in the London Gazette http://www.belfast-gazette.co.uk/

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    The address for Myre Levene above in 1904 was 29, Thorndale Avenue, Belfast...

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomiatt View Post
    The address for Myre Levene above in 1904 was 29, Thorndale Avenue, Belfast...
    That's very cool. Thanks. I knew the address but not when he moved. This fits with the naturalization and Shula's
    death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomiatt View Post
    Hi - if you'd like to send me a photo of the stone off line I'll have a look. His father's name, in theory, would have been passed down through the family somewhere after he was deceased. Could be that Levit/t was meant to be Levite, although it usually shows as Levy or Levi, H'Levi on a stone or in religious documents. Some Ashkenazim definitely look Sephardic. I have the same on one side. I suppose they all moved around so much that it would be quite logical. Have you searched addresses, names etc in the Belfast Gazette and also in the London Gazette http://www.belfast-gazette.co.uk/
    Lost my reply. I'm so tired.

    Thank you. By off line do you mean snail mail? I only have the image digitally.

    Sorry, I mis-typed Zaev/Zev. I also search for the given name Wolf in other families that may be connected in Ireland and the UK. Clutching at straws I know, but it is paying off.

    There are no descendants with Jewish names. Were all accounted for, unless Harry had kids, which judging from a photo I have, is highly unlikely. He is seriously missing from the record.

    Being Jewish was a closely guarded secret in Leah and Freda's generation.
    It was never discussed. Their children were forbidden to mention it. The women married out and lived as gentiles. All I knew was that there was a scrap of paper in Leah's bible with Myer and Shula's names on it. It turned out to be much better than that. I got a family tree in her hand "for Christmas" last year! This project has gotten me in touch with cousins after years and years. My first cousin had no clue about the Jewish aspect until just a couple of years ago. That's how quiet my clan can be. Ridiculous imo.

    I want to change that. It's working, little by little.

    Now I've re written it and just noticed auto-save feature! Time to sleep.

    Nite.

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