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  • Topliff/Topliss/Toplis

    Help! I'm stuck!!!

    I have a John Topliff died 1867 aged 32 years, Carnforth, Lancaster a Railway Engine Driver.(got certificate)

    He was married twice.(got certificates)

    1st to Emma Fletcher in 1857 at the Parish Church, St Werburgh, Derby. The certificate states that John Toplis, 22, bachelor was a Fitter and his father was William Toplis a Labourer.
    On Emmas death certificate of 1858 it says John is a Rialway labourer.

    2nd to Elizabeth Feakes in 1861 at the Parish Church of St Peters, Derby.The certificate states that John Topliff, widower, was a Fire man and his father was William Topliff an Ostler.

    After looking at all the census the only mention of a John Topliff is in 1861, unmarried, aged 30, a Fireman born Rocester, Staffordshire living at 7 Oxford Street, Litchurch.


    I cannot find John in the 1841 or 1851 census.
    I cannot find his father William Topliff/Topliss any where.
    Can anyone please help?

  • #2
    I don't know if this is any help but these Toplis children have father William and mother Mary. John was Christened 1834.

    1. ELIZABETH TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Female Christening: 27 AUG 1827 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

    2. WILLIAM TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAY 1830 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

    3. EMMA TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1828 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

    4. HARRIOTT TOPLISS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Female Christening: 25 MAY 1824 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

    5. JOHN TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Male Christening: 29 JUN 1834 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

    6. GEORGE TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
    Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUL 1831 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England
    Chrissie passed away in January 2020.

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    • #3
      Are there any addresses on the certs that you have?
      Moggie

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      • #4
        What is the date of the 1861 marriage?
        Elaine







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        • #5
          I wonder if the John Toplis that Chrissie has found in the IGI could be this one in 1841

          - Ancestry.co.uk
          - transcribed as Soplis but image could be Toplis.
          Elaine







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          • #6
            Mary and William - from the family Chrissie found on the IGI

            1851 census
            - Ancestry.co.uk

            William´s occupation - Ag.Lab
            Elaine







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            • #7
              26 April 1857 Johns marriage to Emma Fletcher both living at Brook Street (Derby)
              4 May 1861 Johns marriage to Elizabeth Feakes both living at Oxford Street (Derby)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chrissie Smiff View Post
                I don't know if this is any help but these Toplis children have father William and mother Mary. John was Christened 1834.

                1. ELIZABETH TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Female Christening: 27 AUG 1827 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                2. WILLIAM TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAY 1830 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                3. EMMA TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1828 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                4. HARRIOTT TOPLISS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Female Christening: 25 MAY 1824 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                5. JOHN TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Male Christening: 29 JUN 1834 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                6. GEORGE TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUL 1831 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England
                Could this be the same one???? John Topliff is in 1861, unmarried, aged 30, a Fireman born Rocester, Staffordshire living at 7 Oxford Street, Litchurch.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Elaine ..Spain View Post
                  I wonder if the John Toplis that Chrissie has found in the IGI could be this one in 1841

                  - Ancestry.co.uk
                  - transcribed as Soplis but image could be Toplis.
                  Totally cofused now. Who is George Clifford and where are the Soplis childrens parents?

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                  • #10
                    Topliff/Toplif/Toplis/Topliss/Topless

                    Still trying to fit this picture together and could do with some thoughts.

                    "1. ELIZABETH TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Female Christening: 27 AUG 1827 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                    2. WILLIAM TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAY 1830 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                    3. EMMA TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1828 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                    4. HARRIOTT TOPLISS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Female Christening: 25 MAY 1824 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                    5. JOHN TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Male Christening: 29 JUN 1834 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England

                    6. GEORGE TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUL 1831 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England "

                    I have found marriage of William Topless to Mary Clifford in 1821 Aston on trent, Derby

                    I am sure this is them in

                    1841- Ancestry.co.uk and that George Clifford who the children are staying with is probably the grandfather. There are also more Clifford families living near.

                    and 1851 - Ancestry.co.uk. Mary Ann b1837 is not on this one.

                    The problem is I cannot find the parents William and Mary in 1841 or any of them in 1861 although I do know William was alive in May of 1861 as he appears on his sons latest marriage certificate of that date(would he still be on it if dead by that time?) Also Elizabeth and Harriot do not appear anywhere except on the IGI christenings.

                    The other thing is that GEORGE TOPLIS - International Genealogical Index
                    Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUL 1831 Aston-On-Trent, Derby, England does not match with George on the 1851 census as DOB is 1840 and 1844 on the 1851 census.
                    Help please!

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                    • #11
                      I have also found the following in IGI
                      Harriot Toplis c 25 may 1824 died 2 Jul 1825
                      George Toplis c 17 july 1831 died 1835
                      Both Aston on Trent with parents William and Mary

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