Phew! Hi Naomi - I'm Lyn by the way. Ok I'll try to answer the questions as best I can some I know for sure others are difficult to be 1000 %
1. Were the children surnamed. answer Yes, except John Draper junior shown as aged 12 and a boarder on the 1891 census. Mum remembers the name but not who it was.
2. How do I know Julia didn't remarry. Well firstly, we all kind of knew that grandad's parents weren't married he was ashamed of it. Also since I don't believe John Draper did die, but went instead to prison in 1881, I have the record and am pretty sure it's him, especially as I have also found records for Julia, her father and John Stradling all for burglary and in Julia's case receiving, though she was aquitted in this instance. (Julia married John Draper in 1876 - I have the record and the banns) for I believe 11 years and 5 years supervison as he had committed the crime whilst having previous convictions. I did see a record for him going to Canada but lost it before I discovered if it was him or his son and haven't followed that up again yet. And as divorce from a Christian marriage (Julia married in Christchurch, St Marylebone, required an act of parliament then, and we know they were very poor, it seems very unlikely and I can find no evidence of any remarriage under any of her names. i.e. Dunthorne, Draper or Stradling.
4. No I don't have the certificate for John Stradling's death, only a record that I am pretty sure is him as we know from his daugther Harriet that she and her sister Emma were found desitute and taken into Gordon House soon after their father's death, at least that's what they believed. We also know that the record of their admission says "parent in prison" but not which parent or why.
5&6&7. Who is Steven - a good question, definately not John Stradling and do know grandfather had a "hated stepfather, Uncle Stephen" - I listened a lot from my "playhouse under Nana's dining table and the adults often forgot I was there! He called himself "Stradling" but was definately not grandad's brother and again have vague childhood memories of grandad saying this. On the 1901 census Steven and Julia call themselves Stradling and "husband and wife" and he is shown as the father of grandad and sister Julia Charlotte at the baptism, but he couldn't have really been as a) julia charlotte was born in 1893 when Julia was with John and Grandad was born in 1897 the same and his birth and marriage certificates clearly say father John Stradling and Mother Julia Dunthorne.
7. Full address for Campbell street - I only know 29 Campbell Street, Paddington St Mary, but it's not there now.
8. Julia Dunthornewas born in 1859 according to her birth record and marriage record, however it changes to about 1860 and later 1861 on the later censuses but since we know that the census rounded people's age down by 5 years, this is hardly suprising.
9. No as far as I can discover she does not have a middle name at all, only her daughters have one.
10. I have found a death record for a Julia Draper in Mitford, Norfolk for 1905 stating born 1863, but seems unlikely to have been her in view of grandad saying he grew up in Kent near Maidstone and stayed there until his Mother died when he was 12 and he ran away to sea to get away from his "stepfather". I do wonder to what extent he actually ran away or could have been sent on some kind of training workhouse type initiative, since I have discovered that the address he gave when he returned to England in 1915 and the same address as his sister Julia Charlotte puts on her marriage 7 years later, is some kind of Church alms place, though I have yet to discover what. The address was 2 Priory Road, maidstone aka Priory House, and we know that sister Harriet went to East Farleigh and took her son to see "grandma called Mrs Stradling" on a farm there, but no more can I find.
Phew!again hope that is of some use, Harriet's grandsons and I have been struggling with this for several months now.
Exhausted now, think I'll go and have a shower and do the shopping!!
lyn
1. Were the children surnamed. answer Yes, except John Draper junior shown as aged 12 and a boarder on the 1891 census. Mum remembers the name but not who it was.
2. How do I know Julia didn't remarry. Well firstly, we all kind of knew that grandad's parents weren't married he was ashamed of it. Also since I don't believe John Draper did die, but went instead to prison in 1881, I have the record and am pretty sure it's him, especially as I have also found records for Julia, her father and John Stradling all for burglary and in Julia's case receiving, though she was aquitted in this instance. (Julia married John Draper in 1876 - I have the record and the banns) for I believe 11 years and 5 years supervison as he had committed the crime whilst having previous convictions. I did see a record for him going to Canada but lost it before I discovered if it was him or his son and haven't followed that up again yet. And as divorce from a Christian marriage (Julia married in Christchurch, St Marylebone, required an act of parliament then, and we know they were very poor, it seems very unlikely and I can find no evidence of any remarriage under any of her names. i.e. Dunthorne, Draper or Stradling.
4. No I don't have the certificate for John Stradling's death, only a record that I am pretty sure is him as we know from his daugther Harriet that she and her sister Emma were found desitute and taken into Gordon House soon after their father's death, at least that's what they believed. We also know that the record of their admission says "parent in prison" but not which parent or why.
5&6&7. Who is Steven - a good question, definately not John Stradling and do know grandfather had a "hated stepfather, Uncle Stephen" - I listened a lot from my "playhouse under Nana's dining table and the adults often forgot I was there! He called himself "Stradling" but was definately not grandad's brother and again have vague childhood memories of grandad saying this. On the 1901 census Steven and Julia call themselves Stradling and "husband and wife" and he is shown as the father of grandad and sister Julia Charlotte at the baptism, but he couldn't have really been as a) julia charlotte was born in 1893 when Julia was with John and Grandad was born in 1897 the same and his birth and marriage certificates clearly say father John Stradling and Mother Julia Dunthorne.
7. Full address for Campbell street - I only know 29 Campbell Street, Paddington St Mary, but it's not there now.
8. Julia Dunthornewas born in 1859 according to her birth record and marriage record, however it changes to about 1860 and later 1861 on the later censuses but since we know that the census rounded people's age down by 5 years, this is hardly suprising.
9. No as far as I can discover she does not have a middle name at all, only her daughters have one.
10. I have found a death record for a Julia Draper in Mitford, Norfolk for 1905 stating born 1863, but seems unlikely to have been her in view of grandad saying he grew up in Kent near Maidstone and stayed there until his Mother died when he was 12 and he ran away to sea to get away from his "stepfather". I do wonder to what extent he actually ran away or could have been sent on some kind of training workhouse type initiative, since I have discovered that the address he gave when he returned to England in 1915 and the same address as his sister Julia Charlotte puts on her marriage 7 years later, is some kind of Church alms place, though I have yet to discover what. The address was 2 Priory Road, maidstone aka Priory House, and we know that sister Harriet went to East Farleigh and took her son to see "grandma called Mrs Stradling" on a farm there, but no more can I find.
Phew!again hope that is of some use, Harriet's grandsons and I have been struggling with this for several months now.
Exhausted now, think I'll go and have a shower and do the shopping!!
lyn
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