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    I'm looking for the parents of Robert Elvin born 1803.

    He is listed as being born in the following places:

    1841 living Thrapston, Northamptonshire -NOT born there
    1851 living Thrapston, Northamptonshire -BORN YORKSHIRE
    1861 living Thrapston, Northamptonshire -BORN HULL, YORKSHIRE
    1871 living Thrapston, Northamptonshire -BORN BAMBURGH, LINCOLNSHIRE
    1881 cannot find
    1891 living with son in Worcestershire -BORN BAUMBER, LINCOLNSHIRE

    Also found his death
    England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record
    about Robert Elvin
    Name: Robert Elvin
    Birth Date: abt 1803
    Year of Registration: 1892
    Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Age at death: 89
    District: Worcester
    County: Hereford And Worcester, Worcestershire
    Volume: 6c
    Page: 211

    I did look at parish records in Lincolnshire and found a birth matching his with mother Katherine Elvin, no mention of father.

    Also found this
    ROBERT ELVIN
    Male
    Event(s):
    Birth:
    Christening: 09 JAN 1803 Baumber, Lincoln, England
    Parents:
    Father: JOHN ELVIN Family
    Mother: CATHARINE
    Messages:
    Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
    Source Information:
    Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

    C026931 1774 - 1835 0421913 Film 6907524 Film


    BUT CANNOT FIND ANYMORE ABOUT CATHERINE AND JOHN.
    HELP! Any ideas please?

  • #2
    could this be him on 1881?
    RG11 piece 3123 folio 33 page 32
    Jean



    To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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    • #3
      as you have probably seen, when you do a parent search on IGI, the only other one born in Lincoln is John
      30 MAY 1810 Saint Swithin, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
      father John Elvin and mother Catharine Proctor
      Jean



      To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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      • #4
        There's a Catherine Elvin on the Lincoln Burial Index on FMP (I don't have the full details you need three credits for that) b 1788 d 1845. However she's in Sleaford Lincs in 1845 with Frederic (10), Charles (7) and Mary (4).
        There are several John Elvins on the Burial Index that could be possibles.
        Sue

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        • #5
          Thats's him in 1881 in Leicestershire this time born Hull.

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          • #6
            on www.freereg.org the birth you found in Baumber is listed with no fathers name and just mother Katherine Elvin, however, it is listed as St Swithins the same as
            as you have probably seen, when you do a parent search on IGI, the only other one born in Lincoln is John
            30 MAY 1810 Saint Swithin, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
            father John Elvin and mother Catharine Proctor
            Jean



            To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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            • #7
              Here are my workings out:

              Robert Elvin born c1803(date same on all census forms)

              IGI
              ROBERT ELVIN
              Christening: 09 JAN 1803 Baumber, Lincoln, England
              (so born on or before 1803 which would fit the one I have)
              Parents:
              Father: JOHN ELVIN Family
              Mother: CATHARINE

              BMD
              30 MAY 1810 Saint Swithin, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
              father John Elvin and mother Catharine Proctor

              (Cannot be son of Robert Elvin and Catherine Procter because this is too late.)

              Related in some way to William Elvin b1743 because the name Would /Wold crops up throughout generations to the near present day.

              This is what I have on him:
              Descendants of William Elvin

              1. WILLIAM2 ELVIN (WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1743 in Baumber, Lincolnshire. He married MARGARET WOULD 16 Apr 1765 in Stainford, Lincolnshire, daughter of WILLIAM WOULD and ANN. She was born Abt. 1742 in Kirkby on Bain, Lincs.

              More About WILLIAM ELVIN:
              Baptism: 02 May 1743, Baumber, Lincolnshire

              More About MARGARET WOULD:
              Christening: 13 Nov 1742, Kirkby On Bain, Lincolnshire

              More About WILLIAM ELVIN and MARGARET WOULD:
              Marriage: 16 Apr 1765, Stainford, Lincolnshire

              Children of WILLIAM ELVIN and MARGARET WOULD are:
              i.JOHN3 ELVIN, b. Abt. 1766, Kirkby on Bain, Lincolnshire
              Baptism: 12 Feb 1766, Kirby on Bain, Lincolnshire Could be him but CANNOT FIND ON CENSUS ETC

              ii. ELIZABETH ELVIN, b. Abt. 1767, Baumber, Lincolnshire.
              iii. MARGARET ELVIN, b. Abt. 1767, Baumber, Lincolnshire; m. DAVID BRATLEY, 06 Oct 1788, Baumber, Lincolnshire; b. Abt. 1725, Donnington on Bain Lincolnshire.
              More About DAVID BRATLEY and MARGARET ELVIN:
              Marriage: 06 Oct 1788, Baumber, Lincolnshire

              iv.WILLIAM ELVIN, b. 29 Mar 1770, Baumber, Lincolnshire
              Date born 2: 1771, Lincolnshire, England
              Baptism: 29 Mar 1772, Baumber, Lincolnshire

              v. ROBERT ELVIN, b. Abt. 1773, Baumber, Lincolnshire.
              Baptism: 15 Nov 1772, Baumber

              vi. WOULD ELVIN, b. Abt. 1784, Baumber, Lincolnshire; d. 1784, Baumber, Lincolnshire.
              Baptism: 10 Jan 1784, Baumber, Lincolnshire

              vii. WOULD ELVIN, b. Abt. 1789, Baumber, Lincolnshire; d. Jun 1876, Louth, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom; m. MARY HILL, 14 May 1817, Belchford; b. Abt. 1798, Louth, Lincolnshire.
              Marriage: 14 May 1817, Belchford

              viii. CATHARINE ELVIN, b. Abt. 1781, Baumber, Lincolnshire; d. Mar 1867, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom; m. THOMAS SUTTON; b. Abt. 1772, Belchford, Lincolnshire; d. Abt. Jun 1851, Belchford, Lincolnshire.
              (From another source - They had (at least) two children - although an uncle tells me there were three; Elizabeth, b.28.04.1817 and Barnet, b.abt 1827.)

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              • #8
                there are many more experienced in PRs on this site than me, however, freereg is transcribed from PRs and they have Robert Elvin listed with no father. Could he be born out of wedlock and his mother Catherine be
                viii. CATHARINE ELVIN, b. Abt. 1781, Baumber, Lincolnshire; d. Mar 1867, Lincolnshire, United Kingdom; m. THOMAS SUTTON; b. Abt. 1772, Belchford, Lincolnshire; d. Abt. Jun 1851, Belchford, Lincolnshire.
                or are they 2 different families?
                www.freereg.org

                there are also 5 children listed on IGI to thomas sutton & a catherine including a Wald Elvin Sutton
                Jean



                To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                • #9
                  After a visit to the Lincolnshire archives a few weeks ago I also wondered if it was that Catherine who was his mother. The parish registers only had her name and no mention of John.
                  Could you give me the details of the other children please as I don't seem to be able to get connected to the site for some reason?

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                  • #10
                    all Thomas Sutton & Catherine (no surname)
                    christenings:
                    Wald Elvin Sutton 24 JAN 1808 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Joseph Sutton
                    22 MAY 1817 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Thomas Sutton
                    07 FEB 1813 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Mary Ann Sutton
                    06 OCT 1805 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Job Clifton Sutton
                    02 APR 1815 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Barnet Sutton
                    30 NOV 1826 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Elizabeth Sutton
                    21 AUG 1831 Belchford, Lincoln, England
                    Last edited by jean; 16-05-09, 21:37. Reason: spelling
                    Jean



                    To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                    • #11
                      sorry forgot to say that these christenings are from IGI
                      Jean



                      To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                      • #12
                        ok on freereg
                        St Peter & Paul Belchford
                        Mary Ann - as above
                        Wald Elvin - as above - note says Blind

                        there appear to be no more transcriptions for belchford

                        cannot find a marriage for thomas and catherine
                        Last edited by jean; 16-05-09, 22:42.
                        Jean



                        To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                        • #13
                          Thanks Jean. Do you think John Elvin b1766 of the same family could have married a Catherine and be the father of Robert??

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                          • #14
                            hard to say, there isn't a marriage on freereg but may not be transcribed yet, you would have to look through the prs at lincoln or a family history centre BUT there is a marriage on IGI for John Elvin and Catherine Proctor 15 AUG 1809 Canwick, Lincoln, England
                            which doesn't match roberts birth
                            Jean



                            To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                            • #15
                              canwick appears to be a fair distance from baumer/belchford - 15 miles from baumer
                              Last edited by jean; 16-05-09, 23:38.
                              Jean



                              To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                              • #16
                                is it worth checking prs for hull just in case?
                                Jean



                                To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                                • #17
                                  if he was illegitimate - could he have been brought up by another family member in Hull?
                                  Jean



                                  To forget your ancestors is to be a brook without a source, a tree without a root....

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                                  • #18
                                    Thanks Jean for all your help. Sometimes you can go round and round in circles when you do it by your self!
                                    Been to Lincoln and all I could bind were all William Elvin and Margaret Woulds children, a Robert Elvin b1803 with mother Catherine - no mention of father and nothing to suggest that the other children married at Baumber or had children christened there. By 1841 there did not appear to be any Elvins living there at all, or Woulds.

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                                    • #19
                                      if he was illegitimate - could he have been brought up by another family member in Hull? --i don't suppose there is any way of finding that out as he was an adult with his own family by1841.

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                                      • #20
                                        I don't know if it is much help but there are some Elvins on Lincolnshire and Fenland Families.

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