Having a lot of trouble with my Great grandparents marriage. Can anyone help?

[sandra26]

Kat,

His details are James Thomas Chapman born on 30/11/1895, at what looks like 17 New James Street, Peckham. Father Frederick Chapman, Mother Ellen Chapman, late Younger, formerly Edmonds, Registered on 18/01/1896, district Camberwell, sub district Peckham

San

[Olde Crone Holden]

Sure I spotted a Younger to Younger marriage....I'll go back and have a look! Back in a min...

Hmm, well out of area, but here it is:

William Anderson Younger
to Ellen Younger
Mar Q 1907, Tynemouth 10b 458.

Sorry, it's probably a complete red herring.

OC

[sandra26]

OC thank you

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Can't find them in 1901 either. :(

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I presume this is the marriage of the parents of Henry and Eleanor?

Marriages Sep 1882

BRAY Sarah Annie Camberwell 1d 1135
Holmes Hannah Camberwell 1d 1135
Ward George William Camberwell 1d 1135
Younger William Camberwell 1d 1135

There is a Sarah Ann Bray born in Camberwell in 1862, making her a few years younger (apparently) than Ellen Edmonds (1855ish)

[sandra26]

Kat,

It's a copy, but looks like it's from the original. The certificates for all his siblings say the same, and they were got at different times.

Do you think it could be Youngar?

[Olde Crone Holden]

Merry

I already posted that! Have you got your "ignore OC" button on????

OC

[sandra26]

I've been through the census's trying to trace Ellen (senior) backwards, but haven't been able to do that either.

San

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Merry

I already posted that! Have you got your "ignore OC" button on????

OC

*who said that?*

Sorry!

[Katarzyna]

Kat,

It's a copy, but looks like it's from the original. The certificates for all his siblings say the same, and they were got at different times.

Do you think it could be Youngar?

I've tried all YOU* so that would have come up.

I can't find an Ellen/Eleanor BRAY in Peckham/Camberwell in 1861 either.


Are you sure these peeps exist LOL

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Have you tried finding these various people in 1891/1901 on FindMyPast? I can't access the site at the moment :(

[sandra26]

No Merry I haven't, I will give it a go.

Thanks for the suggestion.

San

[sandra26]

Kat,

If I didn't have these certs in front of me (and of course seeing my grandfather), I would have a hard time believing it myself. I just don't understand. I was able to trace my great grandfather back, and have got his birth details, and the cert for his first marriage to Henrietta, but as for the rest it's strange.

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I've just had another Baileys! lol

In 1891 there's:

Sarah Bray wid 60 laundress b Camberwell
Henry Bray single 24 bricklayers lab b Camberwell
William Younger 7 single scholar b Camberwell

No relationships for the above Granny, son and grandson??

[sandra26]

Merry,

On the 1901 census t has Henry as a Vanguard Railway Worker, and it says that Ellen (daughter) had fits from birth. I have no idea if that helps. Baileys sounds a very good idea.

[Katarzyna]

[quote=Merry Monty Montgomery;1528352]I've just had another Baileys! lol


What a night for us to run out of it :(

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

[QUOTE=Katarzyna;1528357]

I've just had another Baileys! lol


What a night for us to run out of it :(

pmsl!

I've gone backwards with Sarah Bray b 1862 and other than her mum, Sarah, not being a widow (she's unmarried when she hadn't had so many children!) I didn't find anything remarkable. (no appearances of anyone called Ellen or Edmonds etc etc)

[sandra26]

Merry,

Have been trying find my past, but it's not playing, it keeps telling me server error

San

[Olde Crone Holden]

righty-ho, what's this I've found?

June 1892

Frederick Chapman
to
(only one female transcribed, two men)
Hackney 1b 783

OC

[Katarzyna]

looks good OC

But not our Ellen:(

ALDRIDGE Ellen
BEVAN Ellen
Collinson Ellen
Daly Ellen
DELL Ellen
DOWNS Ellen Amelia
Little Ellen Amelia
Peacock Ellen
ROBINSON Ellen
Mears Eleanor
Payne Eleanor