The Winner of WDWTYA? 6th December 2007 is.....

[Granny Lynne]

Hi Elaine / Kite
I am pretty sure they were both born Ireland. I could kick myself for losing the census entry I found ages ago. I will look through all my paperwork and come back tomorrow to let you know if I have found anything.
Thank you both for coming back to the thread, I was beginning to think I had become invisible - LOL!!
Lynne

[Granny Lynne]

PS: Eliza's mother was Margaret Delaney.
Lynne

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

I've tried using the search on findmypast for households containing Delaney and Ford, but there's no matches. I could ask for varients on one name or the other (so did that) but not varients of both together.

[Granny Lynne]

Thanks for trying Merry. I will come back tomorrow when I have checked my paperwork.
Lynne

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Thank you both for coming back to the thread, I was beginning to think I had become invisible - LOL!!
Lynne

I think we are not quite sure what we can do to help??

[Granny Lynne]

OK, thanks Merry.
Is it OK if I come back with another one tomorrow?
Lynne

[Elaine ..Spain]

Keep them coming Lynne - we might eventually find one that we can help you with!

[Granny Lynne]

OK Elaine, Thanks, Be back 2morro.
Lynne

[KiteRunner]

I thought I'd found them for a minute as there is a Margret Delany (age 52) in Salford in 1861 with a daughter Eliza age 25, but Eliza is unmarried and there is no Francis. Bother!

[KiteRunner]

I've looked at all the male Fran*s born Ireland 1835-1839 and in Lancashire on the 1861, and got precisely nowhere!

[Granny Lynne]

Good morning all you lovely people who are trying to help me.
Well, I have looked through all my paperwork and cannot find ANYTHING. Maybe I was dreaming that I'd found them. (But I know I definitely did find them, it's just so frustrating).
Anyway, I will look for something else for you to get your teeth into - back soon.
Thanks again.
Lynne

[Granny Lynne]

Right, here goes! Can anyone find Sarah Owen, born 1876 after 1891 census.

This is her family in 1881:-
Joseph Thos. OWEN Head M Male 36 Manchester, Provision Dealer
Ann OWEN Wife M Female 37 Manchester,
Fanny OWEN Daur U Female 15 Manchester,
Joseph Thos. OWEN Son Male 13 Manchester, Scholar
John OWEN Son Male 8 Manchester, Scholar
James OWEN Son Male 6 Manchester, Scholar
Alice OWEN Daur Female 10 Manchester, Scholar
Sarah OWEN Daur Female 4 Manchester, Scholar
Joseph ROBINSON Boarder U Male 61 Manchester, Labourer In Printing Works (Joseph Snr's uncle).

Joseph Thomas Snr died 7/3/1889 and Ann remarried on 23/5/1889 (a bit too quick for my liking - LOL!) to Thomas Parker.

I have them in 1891:-
Thomas Parker 52 (Durham, Newcastle)
Ann Parker 47
James Owen 16
Elizabeth Parker 16 (Warwickshire, Birmingham)
Sarah Owen 14

All the other children had moved out by then and I have all their marriages but I cannot find Sarah, either married or unmarried in 1901. I have tried all the usual methods, ie: checking marriages then looking for Sarah with the appropriate surname and age but without any luck.

Can anyone find her or advise me where to look next please?
I would also like to find Thomas Parker with his previous family but again have had no luck with that.

Thanks in advance.
Lynne

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

It's a pity we can't establish which is Sarah's birth registration as there are various possible middle names which might help pin down a marriage.

[Granny Lynne]

Hi Merry
I think the most likely one is
Dec Qtr Prestwich 8d 353
as most of her siblings were registered in Prestwich (except Alice who was registered in Reddish, Stockport).
Lynne

[KiteRunner]

Lynne, do you have the name and occupation of Thomas Parker's father from his marriage cert, please?

[KiteRunner]

Oh dear, there are so many Sarah Owens! This could take a while...!

[Granny Lynne]

Hi Kite

Sorry, my internet connection went down so I have just spent the last hour or so looking for Francis Ford in 1861.

Thomas Parker's father was Peter Parker, a basket maker.

Lynne

[Merry Monty Montgomery]

Oh dear, there are so many Sarah Owens! This could take a while...!

As there are lots of Sarah Owens born around 1877 in Manchester and most of those probably married in the area, I can't see how we would be able to tell them apart in 1901 unless the had other family members living with them.

For instance, I have eliminated ONE marriage to John Fishburn in 1895, because though there are Owens in their house in 1901 they are not the right Owens!!

[Granny Lynne]

Merry

It looks like I will have to give up on this one too then until I can get to see the parish records.

I think I have picked all the impossible puzzles in my tree - LOL!! If I can come up with any easier ones before Thursday I will come back with the info.

In the meantime, thank you all for all your help.

Lynne

[vikki brace]

Is Peter recorded as deceased on marriage cert?