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    Thanks all. Yes, I have the findagrave pages, plus most of the general info stories on William Birch and the Leinster. I'm currently just trying to expand that family out to see if there are other brothers/uncles of Edwin that may have descended to my family.

    My mother recalls stories of the family talking about someone in the family that had been a ships captain, that was sunk during the war. She believed it was a Birch, but wasn't 100% sure. There were also stories of her nan riding horses around a farm/estate near London, that she thought was also connected to the same person. The farm had a name resembling a tree.

    I spent some time trying to research the captain, and William Birch is the only one I've come up with so far that may fit. I know the family later moved to Wales (The Sycamores) but the location doesn't fit with the tree farm, and I wonder if they also owned property near London.. haven't got that far yet.

    Anyway, I do have Birch's in my family.. my great grandfather Leonard Edgar Biggs married Evelyn Maude Birch (b. 1880 Bucks). Her father was James Birch.

    I'm slowly trying to figure a connection, if any. If there's nothing there, then it's at least an interesting story to explore more
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    I also found this which is just a litany of duff information re birthplaces and Nottingham connection, although presumably accurate re the sinking of the Leinster.
    He supposedly died in 1918 aged 30 but somehow managed to attend Nottingham High School in the 1860s/1870s. Oh dear!
    https://secure.nottinghamshire.gov.u.../Details/15225

    Christine
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    (Co Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Co Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Co Tyrone and Strangford, Co Down)

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    Yes that's pretty inaccurate. I believe the school attendee was likely the captains son, William Birch b. 1888 Liverpool. The age at death would match though I don't believe he actually died that day. He may also have been a sailor, but obviously wasn't captain of the Leinster.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazov View Post
    I also found this which is just a litany of duff information re birthplaces and Nottingham connection, although presumably accurate re the sinking of the Leinster.
    He supposedly died in 1918 aged 30 but somehow managed to attend Nottingham High School in the 1860s/1870s. Oh dear!
    https://secure.nottinghamshire.gov.u.../Details/15225

    Christine
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    I really have to get better at understanding this old handwriting

    I think most of this is correct, but that COD again has me stumped..

    20 Aug 1909 - 67 Lower Leeson Street
    Elizabeth Birch, 9 Fitzwilliam Terrace, Rathmines
    Female, Spinster, 60 years
    Organist
    Cause of death: ??? attacks ?? at intervals during a period of 41 years. ???
    Informant: Harriette Birch, sister, 1250 Upper Richards Road, Putney, London? (Interesting!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazov View Post
    Headstone also tallies for the death of daughter Elizabeth: her death here:
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy....53/4525987.pdf

    Christine

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    COD: acute rheumatism attacks occurring at intervals during a period of 41 years. Cardiac valvular disease and D.....? Certified.
    Sister's address is 250 not 1250 Upper Richards Road.

    Christine
    Researching:
    HOEY
    (Co Fermanagh, other Ulster counties and Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) BANNIGAN and FOX (Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, Ireland and Portland, Maine, USA) REYNOLDS, McSHEA, PATTERSON and GOAN (Corker and Creevy, Ballyshannon, Co Donegal, Ireland) DYER (Belfast and Ballymacarrett) SLEVIN and TIMONEY (Co Fermanagh) BARNETT (Ballagh, Co Tyrone and Strangford, Co Down)

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    a couple of Birch deaths from the newspapers, was hoping it may give more details:

    birch death Weekly Irish Times 28 August 1909.JPG

    Weekly Irish Times 16 August 1930 birch death.JPG

    Edwin is also there but no more info
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    Researching:Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon
    Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazov View Post
    COD: acute rheumatism attacks occurring at intervals during a period of 41 years. Cardiac valvular disease and D.....? Certified.
    Sister's address is 250 not 1250 Upper Richards Road.

    Christine
    I can't see an attachment but cardiac vascular would seem more reasonable, however valve problems can cause circulation issues and fluid to build up in the lower limbs, a condition that was often called Dropsey/Dropsy back in the day.

    I'm taking a stab in the dark without the attachment to look at but using a few bits from certs I've had in the past...……..and my own ongoing medical stuff. I'd like my D/C to say Dropsey as it s something I suffer with but nowadays it's wrapped up in coronary heart disease or cardiac failure as a cause of death.
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    birch death.JPG

    I had a look, can't see any more than Christine - attached as a snip and enlarged.
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    Researching:Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon
    Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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    I agree with Christine and wonder if the final word could be dyspnea, it would make sense. I had it in my head when reading cert but had to check spelling which appears to fit with the writing.
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    Dyspnea definitely makes sense. Link to article explaining the connection https://ims.uniklinik-freiburg.de/en...t-disease.html

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