FHL lookup request

[Elaine]

And the marriage linking the family names I think

Suffolk Marriage Index
First name(s) Charles
Last name Moyse
Gender Male
Marriage year 1811
Marriage date 14 Mar 1811
Place Cotton
Parish original Stowmarket
Church St Andrew
Spouse's first name(s) Phillis
Spouse's last name Lanham

[cbcarolyn]

good find, literally just found 1851 Ancestry, not anything yet for 1841. With marriage ties it all together

[TrevorFranklin]

Brilliant one Elaine.
You have:
1. answered why one of the children had the middle name of Bartick
2. identified the DoB of Susan (1776)
3. Filled in he missing children for George and Elizabeth.

As always, one answer creates further questions to now find the answer for
If George is shown as marrying Elizabeth Lanham 17 Oct 1825 at Bacton (on the 'select marriages' in Ancestry), why is she being shown as 'Moye' on the children baptisms.

Now we have identified Susan's DoB by locating her marriage to Richard Bartick, who were her parents?
If we use Bacton as a reference point, there are two possible baptisms for Sarah, as both are within 10 miles of there.
Susan baptisd 11/11/1777 Eye Suffolk
Parents Thomas and Elizabeth
OR
Susan baptised 1/11/1778 Palgrove Suffolk
Parents James and Sarah

Another with the correct date, but well out of the Buxell/bacton area
Susan baptised 1776 Packfield (Lowestoft)
Parents William and Ann


At least I now know I need to focus on the Stowmarket Suffolk area and all those in the Lowestoft area are going to be a connection that is much further back in time.


Many thanks

[cbcarolyn]

are the 1841 a different family? George and Elizabeth?

Is Ann Marie different family or died, and the Ann is Sarah Ann? Fred - Freeman?

[TrevorFranklin]

there is an Ann Marie baptism George and Elizabeth no mention of Moyse 1839

Hi Carolyn,
I have her in the tree and tracked her in Census' up to 1861, domestic servant in london (not yet found on 1871 and 1881 census)
Then in 1884, she could have married Henry Meen in the stow reg district. The problem is that many parents called a daughter Ann Maria in that area.


I have actually amassed about 11 children for George and Elizabeth, with a further two to check and confirm

[TrevorFranklin]

Hi Elain,
It looks good for a name match.
The Elizabeth with George on the census' all show DoB as between 1804 and 1807, with the marriage below being 1811.
Therefore we can assume that Elizabeth was illegitimate, born c1804 to Phillis Lanham, but (like the Huber Catchpole in an earlier post to this thread), used her step father's name on all documents except the marriage, where she declared herself to be Lanham

And the marriage linking the family names I think

Suffolk Marriage Index
First name(s) Charles
Last name Moyse
Gender Male
Marriage year 1811
Marriage date 14 Mar 1811
Place Cotton
Parish original Stowmarket
Church St Andrew
Spouse's first name(s) Phillis
Spouse's last name Lanham

[Elaine]

Hope it helps you out Trevor, have a marriage in Stowmarket myself which baffles me!

[Elaine]

It will be interesting to see if Kat can view the marriage, I found a daughter in my family last week in B. C.; everything was right except her father's first name and I had nothing on him as he died mid census after his marriage. All was well when he was named correctly on her death certificate which led to a whole new branch.

[Elaine]

Wondering if 1841 the children are with grandparents

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M73Q-2MT

Charles Moyer Male 54 Huxster
Phillip Moyer 53 ***Phillis x2
Phillip Moyer 8
Susan Moyer 11
Richard Moyer 6
Sarah Moyer 4
James Baker 34
All born in county

[Elaine]

I think this might be Ann Catchpole 1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Z-X7DH

servant in Hornsey

[Elaine]

Just checked the GRO and Freeman is there but the other birth to coincide with the baptism for Ann is a reg for Dorothy Catchpole

CATCHPOLE, DOROTHY LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 398

CATCHPOLE, FREEMAN LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 405

[Katarzyna]

These are all the registered Catchpole/Lanham births after 1837

CATCHPOLE, DOROTHY LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 398
CATCHPOLE, FREEMAN LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1841 S Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 405
CATCHPOLE, GEORGE LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1843 D Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 427
CATCHPOLE, THIRZA HAMMOND LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 436
CATCHPOLE, PHEBO LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1848 M Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 448
CATCHPOLE, ELIZA LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 411

__________________________________________________ ________________________________
These are Blything Registration Births so not George and Elizabeth (too old) but interesting all the same:

CATCHPOLE, EDGAR LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in BLYTHING UNION Volume 13 Page 377
CATCHPOLE, GEORGE LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in BLYTHING UNION Volume 13 Page 409
CATCHPOLE, ALFRED LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 605
CATCHPOLE, ELIZABETH LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 592
CATCHPOLE, ALFRED LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 657
CATCHPOLE, EMILY LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 641
CATCHPOLE, THOMAS LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 675

[Katarzyna]

Death:
CATCHPOLE, PHOEBE 2
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 354

[Katarzyna]

Just checked the GRO and Freeman is there but the other birth to coincide with the baptism for Ann is a reg for Dorothy Catchpole

CATCHPOLE, DOROTHY LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in HARTISMERE Volume 13 Page 398

I think Ann maybe Dorothy too. There isn't a birth reg for Ann or a death, burial or census for Dorothy.

[cbcarolyn]

I might be lost here - do you mean this one:
Name: Ann Maria Catchpole
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1839
Birth Place: Barton, Suffolk, England
Christening Date: 14 Jul 1839
Christening Place: Barton, Suffolk, Eng., Suffolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: George Catchpole
Mother: Elizabeth Catchpole

[cbcarolyn]

I might be lost here - do you mean this one:
Name: Ann Maria Catchpole
Gender: Female
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 24 Jan 1839
Birth Place: Barton, Suffolk, England
Christening Date: 14 Jul 1839
Christening Place: Barton, Suffolk, Eng., Suffolk, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: George Catchpole
Mother: Elizabeth Catchpole

ignore me you are looking for registration - sorry

[TrevorFranklin]

Now that is an interesting coincidence. I think I'll investigate just out of curiosity

__________________________________________________ ________________________________
These are Blything Registration Births so not George and Elizabeth (too old) but interesting all the same:

CATCHPOLE, EDGAR LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in BLYTHING UNION Volume 13 Page 377
CATCHPOLE, GEORGE LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in BLYTHING UNION Volume 13 Page 409
CATCHPOLE, ALFRED LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 605
CATCHPOLE, ELIZABETH LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 592
CATCHPOLE, ALFRED LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 657
CATCHPOLE, EMILY LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 641
CATCHPOLE, THOMAS LANHAM
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 675

Children I do have for George and Elizabeth, that I have from confirmed via census/baptism etc or extras from post.
Susan 1828-1829
Susannah 1831
Phillis 1833
Richard 1834
Sarah Ann 1836
Ann Maria 1839
Freeman William 1839
George 1843
Thirza Hammond 1845
Thomas 1846
William 1846
Eliza 1850

[Katarzyna]

Now that is an interesting coincidence. I think I'll investigate just out of curiosity

Children I do have for George and Elizabeth, that I have from confirmed via census/baptism etc or extras from post.
Susan 1828-1829
Susannah 1831
Phillis 1833
Richard 1834
Sarah Ann 1836
Ann Maria 1839
Freeman William 1839
George 1843
Thirza Hammond 1845
Thomas 1846
William 1846
Eliza 1850

The only Thomas I can see on a census is 1851 and this has been mistranscribed - the name is Thirza. Did you have a baptism?

[cbcarolyn]

The only Thomas I can see on a census is 1851 and this has been mistranscribed - the name is Thirza. Did you have a baptism?

I agree Kat there does seem to be too many children in 1845/1846 unless there are twins?

[Katarzyna]

1851 census,

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8860&h=4812653&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ruU1905&_phstart=successSource

I cannot find a census , birth, baptism or death for William either.