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Looks like they were missed off then, the document covers census years, but they could have moved during it. I assume it was taken in Sept 1880, so may have changed.
It says 4 Ordnance Road, only house with a number on census is 18!
There seems to be a lot of cottages around there, so maybe a bit higgledy piggedly.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostLooks like they were missed off then, the document covers census years, but they could have moved during it. I assume it was taken in Sept 1880, so may have changed.
It says 4 Ordnance Road, only house with a number on census is 18!
There seems to be a lot of cottages around there, so maybe a bit higgledy piggedly.
I have a trip to the big city tomorrow, but then will be back to chase up Emily Haines again. Thanks for all the help thus far.
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Frederick 1881
Name: Frederick Adams
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Adams
Gender: Male
Where born: Hounslow, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Heston
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: Cottage Next Door
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Brick Labourer
Registration district: Brentford
Attachment shows which area covered on this enumerated batchAttached FilesLast edited by Elaine; 11-10-19, 20:06.Elaine
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Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postlove the name of the Cottage, next door to what
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostFrederick has many children including an Emily! love the name of the Cottage, next door to what
here are the other census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...51/edit/record
Has been a few busy days here, but back to searching now.
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Something just occurred to my very slow brain - could "Emily" possibly be Amelia Martin, the daughter of William and Caroline's eldest daughter Leah and her husband James Martin?
Amelia's birth was registered in the March quarter of 1869 in Brentford, so her age fits for "Emily". Leah is working as a servant in 1871 - https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...370.1512348566 - as Elaine already very helpfully posted - and from memory, James Martin is off with the army. The timing does fit.
Although still doesn't explain the mysterious "William" who was also born and registered in 1869
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That's what I thought when I mentioned here previously, couldn't find them 1871 if I remember right and after that, she is not with her children.Elaine
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Originally posted by Elaine View PostThat's what I thought when I mentioned here previously, couldn't find them 1871 if I remember right and after that, she is not with her children.
James Martin has always been a bit of an enigma, especially because he doesn't list any parents on their marriage certificate - I wonder if he could have been Irish or Scottish?
Leah in 1891 - working as a cook and says she is a widow - https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...370.1512348566
Off to see if I can find Emily/Amelia after 1871.
Thanks again
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That looks about right. Possible the enumerator - misheard and William -confused and put daughter instead of grand dau and Emily instead Amelia and the enumerator assumed all were Adams! LOL!Kat
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Originally posted by Katarzyna View PostThat looks about right. Possible the enumerator - misheard and William -confused and put daughter instead of grand dau and Emily instead Amelia and the enumerator assumed all were Adams! LOL!Last edited by thomasalbertedward; 15-10-19, 12:32.
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I see that there is a tree that has James Martin b Sydenham, Kent 1838 and has these records attached to him:
Name: James MartinPension Admission or Examination Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1839
Birth Place: Sydenham, Surrey (Sydenham, orwood, Kent)
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 11 Jul 1876
Regiment: Rifle Bde 3 Batt
Rank: Corporal
Regimental Number: 1608
Records are not on Ancestry but Fold3. you can see them in FMP, but has Sydenham, Norwood in Hampshire
The only thing that is a 'connection that I can see is that he left in 1876 with his intended destination as Hounslow
That would make sense why Leah is living on her own in the place of work as a servantCarolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI see that there is a tree that has James Martin b Sydenham, Kent 1838 and has these records attached to him:
Name: James MartinPension Admission or Examination Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1839
Birth Place: Sydenham, Surrey (Sydenham, orwood, Kent)
Pension Admission or Examination Date: 11 Jul 1876
Regiment: Rifle Bde 3 Batt
Rank: Corporal
Regimental Number: 1608
Records are not on Ancestry but Fold3. you can see them in FMP, but has Sydenham, Norwood in Hampshire
The only thing that is a 'connection that I can see is that he left in 1876 with his intended destination as Hounslow
That would make sense why Leah is living on her own in the place of work as a servant
Just got the documents from Fold3 - all about grey-eyed, sandy-haired 5 feet 6 James Martin.
Now all the more curious to see where they were in 1881 and what happened to Emily/Amelia
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Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostI did find this for A James Martin:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...73/edit/record
I remember seeing this record when I started looking at this branch of the family way back in 2010 and the occupation of "attendant on an insane patient" really stood out - but not knowing a definite birthplace for James made it hard to put all the pieces together. Now with the military records you found it's a much clearer picture. And I so appreciate your help.
I wonder where Leah and Amelia were and whether their marriage survived after all his years in India?
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Have you seen these:
1871 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...05/edit/record
1891
It sounds all very likely that Amelia was Emily, good sleuthing by Elaine and you .
so maybe Leah never left home as husband in the army, and she was in service and often stayed on the properties and Amelia stayed with Grandparents.
She is probably with them in 1881, and that one seems to be missing :(
Would be nice if you could find army records that mention his family.Carolyn
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Elaine
Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills
http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com
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