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Thread: Alfred John Blackhall, Henley, Oxfordshire

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    His mother's name will definitely be on his birth certificate even if his father's name isn't. How sure are you that this is your relative, before you order the certificate?

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    sorry no bc as yet ... see thread below ... do have marriage and death details .... on my tree ... but no certs .

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    only answer is to order a bc to finf mother's name if given /

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    Re post#7

    Ephraim Blackhall married Mary Clements.
    sept qtr 1871 Cookham

    They had a son Alfred John Blackall b1897 Henley
    BUT also another son:

    BLACKALL, EPHRAIM WALTER mmn CLEMENTS
    GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in COOKHAM Volume 02C Page 409

    He married Alice Lloyd in 1906

    Ephraim and Alice marriage.jpg
    Mary dies late 1911 as Carolyn noted.

    1911 census shows Ephraim Walter and Alice with 2 children born after marriage (Blackalls) and another child, Marie Lloyd:
    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=51704997

    LLOYD, MARIE -
    GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in HENLEY IN THE COUNTIES OF OXFORD AND BUCKINGHAM Volume 03A Page 1014
    So Marie (a Lloyd) 1905 born after Alfred (a Blackall) 1904. Seems odd I know, one would expect Marie to have been named a Blackall too but I'm sure it all ties in somewhere!
    It is obvious that something occurred that put BOTH the Alfred John's into institutions. (Uncle and perhaps nephew?)

    Alfred John Blackall b 1897 is with his parents here in 1901:
    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...&rhSource=6598
    Last edited by Jill on the A272; 11-10-19 at 23:06. Reason: name corrected to Alice
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    I did have a search around the newspapers, I will have another look later, I had found a couple about non attendance of school Alfred in post 7

    didn't think they were much help, they have other articles 'problems' documented before 1900.
    Henley & South Oxford Standard 11 June 1909.JPG

    Henley & South Oxford Standard 24 April 1908.JPG
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    Post #13 - the only time a mother's name would not be on a birth certificate would be if the child was a foundling. I can't think of any other reason, so you need that birth certificate.

    As Kat points out, the Blackall site is a One Name Study and the "orphan list" is just a list that the compiler has made of Blackalls for whom he needs parents names. It doesn't mean they are orphans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    I did have a search around the newspapers, I will have another look later, I had found a couple about non attendance of school Alfred in post 7

    didn't think they were much help, they have other articles 'problems' documented before 1900.
    Henley & South Oxford Standard 11 June 1909.JPG

    Henley & South Oxford Standard 24 April 1908.JPG
    This is in 1908 and is probably why Alfred John was sent to The Essex Industrial School And Home For Destitute Boy's, Rainford Road, Chemsford as shown in Post #7 I should think - bit of a tearaway!

    I have asked for Mary in this passage from post 14 to be changed to ALICE; (I have had Mary this and Mary that all day on postings - feeling confused)
    1911 census shows Ephraim Walter and Mary with 2 children born after marriage (Blackalls) and another child, Marie Lloyd:
    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=51704997
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    Another here:
    Henley & South Oxford Standard 23 September 1910.JPG
    Ephraim and his daughter Mrs Susan Tombe

    The Blackalls feature heavily in the paper!
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 11-10-19 at 23:11.
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    an article about Alice, certainly looks like she was unable to care for her family
    Henley & South Oxford Standard 07 April 1911b.png
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    just realised that is the elder Ephraim, as there is another similar one in the Henley & South Oxford Standard 21 July 1911 stating she is living at her sons, and he is still not providing maintenance.

    she left with a salvation army officer, would they be involved with placing children in homes?
    Last edited by cbcarolyn; 12-10-19 at 00:21.
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    Researching:Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon
    Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
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