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    Macleods and Frasers of London

    Hello all,

    My name is Matthew and I am researching some of my supposedly scottish ancestors. I have now hit what appears to be a brick wall. I have a marriage between a David Fraser and a Marion MacLeod in 1780 at St. George's Hanover Square in London, nowhere near Scotland. I only have the Pallot's Marriage Index card for them which gives the husbands parish as St. James' Westminster. I am sure that Marion must have also comes from an important family as the MacLeod name has been passed down through my family.

    If anyone has any ideas where I could go from here I would be most grateful. I have mainly been using Ancestry for my research.

    Thank you all,
    Matthew Carr

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    They were married at St George Hanover Square on 15 Feb 1780. David Fraser was of St James Westminster and Marion was of 'this parish' (St George H Squ). Both signed their names.

    Witnesses were Alex[ander] Macleod and Arch[ibald] Campbell.

    So no help there except all the names are obviously Scottish.

    Anne
    Last edited by Anne in Carlisle; 12-09-19 at 12:04.

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    Are you able to bring them forward into the census years? Important families often had homes in London as well as their ancestral seats elsewhere.

    OC

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    Sadly I don't think the lived long enough to come up in census. Their descendants related to me lived in St. Marylebone at the earliest census date. Another child lived in India as a Captain in the East India Company. David Fraser apparently was a harness maker and member of the Society of Arts. The Scottish names simply must mean a link, it's just there's no way to find out.

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    Try looking for the apprenticeship indenture for David Fraser. If he was apprenticed in London hopefully his papers may be recorded. I know some are online but sorry I’m not sure where exactly. Hopefully someone will point you in the right direction. The East India Company kept good records,try looking in the National Archives online catalogue and also on FIBIS for him (Families in British India Society) https://www.fibis.org/ You will need a sub to see FIBIS records.
    Last edited by GallowayLass; 12-09-19 at 19:27.

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    I want to note this David as it's niggling me..

    I found a newspaper clip of a David Fraser who is an army accoutrement maker in the newspaper and the one mainly in the Westminster rate books in St. James.

    There is a will for a David Frazer in the same area with the same occupation

    David Frazer
    Probate Date: 10 Apr 1809
    Residence: Golden Square, Middlesex, England

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...off=&ml_rpos=2

    but as far as I can make out says 5 heirs and names ? Donald Mcleod as executor, it's just David's signature I am not sure of.
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    This is probably not relevant, but half my tree is Scottish and I found that many Davids were actually Daniels and that Donald is the Gaelic form of Daniel!

    OC

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    Looking up the MacLeods. The Donald MacLeod may be a brother of Marion as one of the records I found relating to Marion was a baptism on 20th Dec 1759 with a Donald Macleod as her father in Ardersier near Inverness and Culloden. If it's them then it's interesting as to why they have travelled so far south.

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    There's a will for a Donald too, wasn't too sure on that one.
    Elaine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olde Crone Holden View Post
    This is probably not relevant, but half my tree is Scottish and I found that many Davids were actually Daniels and that Donald is the Gaelic form of Daniel!

    OC
    That's not quite right, OC...Donald is the English form of the Gaelic name Domhnull....which is pronounced roughly Dohull....which when heard and transcribed by a non-Gaelic speaker was often interpreted as Daniel!
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