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Carolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI think the 1861 is a good possible for Sarah Palmer. In the household is a Margaret Hutchinson aged 70 a Widow b Chatteris (as was father Joseph Palmer). Ancestry is cross referencing Margaret with a Margaret Palmer who married a Robert Hutchinson. So possible Aunt
VeraCarolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI think the 1861 is a good possible for Sarah Palmer. In the household is a Margaret Hutchinson aged 70 a Widow b Chatteris (as was father Joseph Palmer). Ancestry is cross referencing Margaret with a Margaret Palmer who married a Robert Hutchinson. So possible Aunt
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostIt has to be something like that. Maybe travelling around a bit for jobs meant a miss from the census, be nice to find him. I assume his father is John Simmons Butler that is listed in directories?
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There is a Margaret Palmer marriage:
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1814
Marriage Place: Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Spouse: Robert Hutchin
looks like she could be father Jospehs sister from baptism records, well done Vera
Not me - it was VeraLast edited by cbcarolyn; 12-09-19, 22:58.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostThere is a Margaret Palmer marriage:
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1814
Marriage Place: Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Spouse: Robert Hutchin
looks like she could be father Jospehs sister from baptism records, well done Vera
Not me - it was Vera
So Sarah Palmer was still alive in 1861 - she's listed as married on the census so I presume she and Simmons were still together and he was away working.
Will check out the death that Vera found.
Thanks again all
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View PostThanks Carolyn, a great help.
So Sarah Palmer was still alive in 1861 - she's listed as married on the census so I presume she and Simmons were still together and he was away working.
Will check out the death that Vera found.
Thanks again all
Then found this woman on the 1871 census: https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...&rhSource=8767. She could have gone back to using her maiden name Palmer or could be a completely different woman. Will have to do a bit more searching.
I think this could be Margaret Hutchinson's death in 1867: https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...=successSource
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Ancestry not letting me sign in to UK to see your links
I'm now wondering about that 1864 death for Sarah. Looking to see if Sarah Palmer Butler re-married.
Can see on FMP a possible marriage
Parish of St Anne, Westminster 1866
Samuel Vary 32 Bachelor Gas Fitter residing Church St f William ?Cutler/Cutter
Sarah Butler 32 Widow S/A f Joseph Palmer, Builder
Witnesses John Cramer, Louisa Vary
1871 Sarah visiting Dunn family in Lambeth. Married, Dressmaker b City of London
Death for a Sarah Vary 1874 Pancras reg. Burial 1/9/1874 Pancras cemetery
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostAncestry not letting me sign in to UK to see your links
I'm now wondering about that 1864 death for Sarah. Looking to see if Sarah Palmer Butler re-married.
Can see on FMP a possible marriage
Parish of St Anne, Westminster 1866
Samuel Vary 32 Bachelor Gas Fitter residing Church St f William ?Cutler/Cutter
Sarah Butler 32 Widow S/A f Joseph Palmer, Builder
Witnesses John Cramer, Louisa Vary
1871 Sarah visiting Dunn family in Lambeth. Married, Dressmaker b City of London
Death for a Sarah Vary 1874 Pancras reg. Burial 1/9/1874 Pancras cemetery
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostAncestry not letting me sign in to UK to see your links
I'm now wondering about that 1864 death for Sarah. Looking to see if Sarah Palmer Butler re-married.
Can see on FMP a possible marriage
Parish of St Anne, Westminster 1866
Samuel Vary 32 Bachelor Gas Fitter residing Church St f William ?Cutler/Cutter
Sarah Butler 32 Widow S/A f Joseph Palmer, Builder
Witnesses John Cramer, Louisa Vary
1871 Sarah visiting Dunn family in Lambeth. Married, Dressmaker b City of London
Death for a Sarah Vary 1874 Pancras reg. Burial 1/9/1874 Pancras cemetery
Vera
Samuel Vary is on the 1871 census lodging with the Taylor family: https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...=successSource
He married twice more - Ann Williams in 1875 - she died in 1882 - and Emily Allen in 1883.
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostAncestry not letting me sign in to UK to see your linksCarolyn
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View Postthat's definitely her - Vera, you're a genius
Samuel Vary is on the 1871 census lodging with the Taylor family: https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...=successSource
He married twice more - Ann Williams in 1875 - she died in 1882 - and Emily Allen in 1883.
Still not seeing Simmons. When did he die?
There is a newspaper article re Thomas D inquest. Sudden death from liver failure. Apparently consulted a pharmacist as was usual back in the day who then referred him to brother for treatment.
Genius you say. No. I have access to lots of sites which helps. Just watch me try to copy and paste using Carolyn's instructions.
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 13-09-19, 11:57.
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postcopy link (to anywhere) and change to co.uk then copy to url box and it works
My laptop has Windows 10 downloaded. Never works. Constant and varied messages why I am disconnected. Takes an age too.
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Yes should be I actually use the reply box to paste to, change au.com to co UK then. Copy again and put in address barCarolyn
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostCant be 100% as Joseph the only possible link I can see, although others add up.
Still not seeing Simmons. When did he die?
There is a newspaper article re Thomas D inquest. Sudden death from liver failure. Apparently consulted a pharmacist as was usual back in the day who then referred him to brother for treatment.
Genius you say. No. I have access to lots of sites which helps. Just watch me try to copy and paste using Carolyn's instructions.
Vera
I would be very confident it's her. Joseph Palmer was a builder and her other census records say born in the City of London - and the ages are right.
I'm still not seeing Simmons either on the 1861 census - he died here in Australia in 1874 and is buried in the local cemetery.
I have the newspaper article about Thomas' death, thank you. I read the article as Mr Rayner, the chemist telling Thomas that there was nothing more he could do for him and that Thomas should go and stay with his own brother - who would have been his brothers James and John who were both still unmarried and living in Horton, Buckinghamshire at the time - I think about 35 miles from Uxbridge where Thomas and Charlotte were renting a house when he died.
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I have the newspaper article about Thomas' death, thank you. I read the article as Mr Rayner, the chemist telling Thomas that there was nothing more he could do for him and that Thomas should go and stay with his own brother - who would have been his brothers James and John who were both still unmarried and living in Horton, Buckinghamshire at the time - I think about 35 miles from Uxbridge where Thomas and Charlotte were renting a house when he died.[/QUOTE]
This is another version. Either way Thomas died when a very young man
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Not sure if that will work. Probably quicker to type it out
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Post[QUOTE
I have the newspaper article about Thomas' death, thank you. I read the article as Mr Rayner, the chemist telling Thomas that there was nothing more he could do for him and that Thomas should go and stay with his own brother - who would have been his brothers James and John who were both still unmarried and living in Horton, Buckinghamshire at the time - I think about 35 miles from Uxbridge where Thomas and Charlotte were renting a house when he died.
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Not sure if that will work. Probably quicker to type it out
Vera[/QUOTE]
That's grand! Thank you Vera !Last edited by thomasalbertedward; 13-09-19, 21:13.
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