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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by vera2013 View Post
    Nor me.

    Think I see Sarah in 1861 in the City or was she deceased by then?

    Vera
    Now I'm wondering if I have the right death for Sarah Palmer Butler.

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    I found that one too, and as she in the 'country' I wondered if he would have been close by, rather than in London, was pondering how they would have met.
    Carolyn

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  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    I found that one too, and as she in the 'country' I wondered if he would have been close by, rather than in London, was pondering how they would have met.
    How Simmons and Charlotte met?

  4. #14
    Short time span between death of Thomas D and marriage between Charlotte and Simmons.
    Looks like couple moved from the farm before Thomas d' s death. Thomas D's Probate details gives an address in Uxbridge as place of death.
    Looked to see who was there in 1861 but didn't see a Simmons B. Wonder if he was in the area.
    Whilst looking around noted possible other child b 1850 to a Charlotte A. Do you have that one?

    Can put up links but need to switch from the tablet

    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 12-09-19 at 12:16.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by vera2013 View Post
    Whilst looking around noted possible other child b 1850 to a Charlotte A. Do you have that one?

    Can put up links but need to switch from the tablet

    Vera
    Ignore the 2nd child of a Charlotte Adams. Different person living close to Wycombe b 1824. In the 1841 with mother

    Vera

  6. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by vera2013 View Post
    Short time span between death of Thomas D and marriage between Charlotte and Simmons.
    Looks like couple moved from the farm before Thomas d' s death. Thomas D's Probate details gives an address in Uxbridge as place of death.
    Looked to see who was there in 1861 but didn't see a Simmons B. Wonder if he was in the area.
    Whilst looking around noted possible other child b 1850 to a Charlotte A. Do you have that one?

    Can put up links but need to switch from the tablet

    Vera
    yes, very short time span between death of Thomas and marriage to Simmons. Between 1855 and 1858 Thomas and Charlotte and Sarah were in Victoria, Australia and then came back to the UK because of family dramas. Hedgerley Court Farm seems to have been sold to buy land in Moreton Bay, Qld and they had passage booked back to Australia when Thomas died of kidney disease. Charlotte came back to Australia, but with another hastily-acquired husband.

    She was from Berkshire/Buckinghamshire and Thomas and Simmons were both born there as well. I have a theory but it's only that - Simmons' father, John Butler, had a successful carpentry firm, first in London and by 1861 back in Berkshire, at Hurst which is only about 20 miles from Hedgerley I think. On the 1861 census Thomas and Charlotte are at Hedgerley with a couple of carpenters, who I think would have been doing work to the house before it sold. I've always wondered if Simmons also worked on the house at some point, since he was a carpenter by trade too. Another reason I would really love to locate him on the 1861 census.

  7. #17
    And am also now looking for a possible death for first wife Sarah Palmer as my original idea that she had died in St Luke doesn't seem to fit any more.

    Unless Simmons was a bigamist
    Last edited by thomasalbertedward; 12-09-19 at 16:13.

  8. #18
    I agree Simmons likely to have known Charlotte prior to Thomas D's death. Thomas D death was registered in the same quarter of 1862 as that of the marriage of Charlotte and Simmons.

    The death of a Sarah Butler aged 32 reg Dec q 1864 Holborn is a possible for the 1861 census record but cant see a burial record

    1861
    Sarah Butler aged 27 London City, Married, Mantle Maker, b London City
    Living with others at 2 Mar.....Court, St Botolph Without, Aldersgate
    One of the residents b Chatteris, Cambs. If I remember correctly one of the parents from Chatteris but maybe not connected

    Vera

  9. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by vera2013 View Post
    I agree Simmons likely to have known Charlotte prior to Thomas D's death. Thomas D death was registered in the same quarter of 1862 as that of the marriage of Charlotte and Simmons.

    The death of a Sarah Butler aged 32 reg Dec q 1864 Holborn is a possible for the 1861 census record but cant see a burial record

    1861
    Sarah Butler aged 27 London City, Married, Mantle Maker, b London City
    Living with others at 2 Mar.....Court, St Botolph Without, Aldersgate
    One of the residents b Chatteris, Cambs. If I remember correctly one of the parents from Chatteris but maybe not connected

    Vera
    that is a great possibility- will investigate - thank you Vera

  10. #20
    I think the 1861 is a good possible for Sarah Palmer. In the household is a Margaret Hutchinson aged 70 a Widow b Chatteris (as was father Joseph Palmer). Ancestry is cross referencing Margaret with a Margaret Palmer who married a Robert Hutchinson. So possible Aunt



    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 12-09-19 at 17:27.

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