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Service Record for The Royal Engineers 1891? finding Richard Kean b Manchester 1860
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Carolyn
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Originally posted by Holly View PostI did wonder about the Catherine en route to Australia...
But Minnie Tucker doesn’t sound the sort of lady who would (knowingly) Marry a bigamist?
Why is nothing about this family straightforwards?
Holly.
this can't death though, as the manifest must be written closer to July surely ?
"Death for a Catherine Johnson in New Haven Connecticut - 24 April 1913 (no further info)
Page 2."Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
I guess she may not know, if it was the case. The marriage was in Boston area and they are now in NY area.
this can't death though, as the manifest must be written closer to July surely ?
"Death for a Catherine Johnson in New Haven Connecticut - 24 April 1913 (no further info)
Page 2."
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I am getting confused with him too. Just found him on manifest for Mauretania as clerk - so think the one I found with mechanic must be clerical error?
I have a few records downloaded - that are confusing.
He seems to be born Oswaldtwistle, then lived in Nelson - 259 Southfield St, born 11/8/1888 seems uncertain of his marital status, and have him as a foreman and an accountant/clerk/charity official (which kind of go together)
I am going for crossings out on the sailing record, if this is him on another boat at same time!Carolyn
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Another manifest
and Ireland outward passengers
Madonna 08/07/1913 Liverpool to Boston
Johnson, Herbert 24 Clerk. Last residence foreign countries. Intended permanent address USA.o
Ticket no 10499
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I think I have Catherine arriving December 12th. Will post more info.
Looked again a lines on other manifests. Agree crossings out.
And how on earth did Madonna get there!
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.https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=successSource
Capture Petition for nat 1.JPGCapture Naturalisation 2.JPG
Hope you can read them. Petition for naturalisation 1918. Strange he actually says he is not married. Maybe for the purpose of the application it is not relevant if wife has died
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he is saying he is single too many times for my liking, I reckon something is fishy! although no idea how you could even proceed with Catherine.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostHave found Herbert on leaving manifest on Mauretania and is a mechanic
Same ticket no as the one with the occupation Clerk
So the couple were booked on the Laconia 08/07/1913 but didnt show
Herbert was booked on the Mauritania 08/071913 as a clerk
presumable did not show
Herbert was booked on the Mauritania 12/07/1913 . Will check out arrivals after that date EDIT I think you have that one Carolyn. Never quite sure if that is arrival or who has left the UK. Either way not with Catherine. I think she stayed in England
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Definitely looks like she stayed and I can't see her again, so maybe back to Kean?Carolyn
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oh doh I had that one - but stopped at Kathleen Johnson and thought it was mistranscribed! So she has come over on her own, and had ticket back together that wasn't used.
Maybe she did live and have children.
Lucky I revisited that record, I hadn't spotted her below him last night as was all crossed out.Last edited by cbcarolyn; 09-09-20, 20:43.Carolyn
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Capture Johnson fmp death.JPG A possible for Catherine
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Burnley reg (for Nelson)from whence Herbert came on manifest 12/07/1913
Catherine Johnson b 1885
Died 2nd q 1913 aged 28
This is a death announcement for Burnley at the hospital
Express and Advertiser
BMD Burnley
23rd May 1913 Catherine Johnson
At the hospital
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that is interesting, aww, so she did die. Fits better with the crossings, although still unsure why he thought he was single, but maybe it is easier to say that, as correct for pensions etc.Last edited by cbcarolyn; 10-09-20, 08:32.Carolyn
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I have found a newspaper article re another family member in 1921 and the were still at 259 Southfield Street, Nelson. Just in case anything is out there.
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I can't see anything additional on FMP. The brothers mentioned are likely to be Herbert, Arthur and ? James. Sister is Elizabeth Ellen m to Thomas Varley
Have looked at the Keans. Not throwing any links to Richard Kean Jnr. Even the visiting Soldier has no links I can see b Bombay to ?Parents Francis Mackay Colour Sergeant and Mary Jane King nee West. It is possible George Mackay was a fellow Soldier of Richard Kean Jnr
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostI can't see anything additional on FMP. The brothers mentioned are likely to be Herbert, Arthur and ? James. Sister is Elizabeth Ellen m to Thomas Varley
Have looked at the Keans. Not throwing any links to Richard Kean Jnr. Even the visiting Soldier has no links I can see b Bombay to ?Parents Francis Mackay Colour Sergeant and Mary Jane King nee West. It is possible George Mackay was a fellow Soldier of Richard Kean Jnr
Vera
I couldn't find anything about George, I feel he must have a link as a visitor and not down as a boarder.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
I have the 1911 census - 10 born - 8 alive it says, just thought if anything found and address was quoted, was interesting to see that there were still there in 1921
I couldn't find anything about George, I feel he must have a link as a visitor and not down as a boarder.
I would have hoped for a memorial for Catherine but then the children were much younger when (and if it is Catherine Kean) died
That visiting Soldier is a puzzle. Think maybe one of Richard's brother's was in the military. Or was that Julie's thread.
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Many thanks for looking.
I’m just back from Cornwall, where Internet access was limited, but have been puzzling about this family while away...
So far I’ve been concentrating on Richard Kean’s family and whereabouts, but it seems impossible to find any direct descendants... I can’t help wondering what became of his other daughter, Mary Agnes Kean? I’ve never been able to find a Death for her.
Holly.
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I looked for Mary Agnes and had no luck, don't know if Vera looked.
Richard is certainly looking good for morphing into someone else as he seems to have vanished.Carolyn
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