I also have UK Ancestry, but have found that if you copy the link from au Ancestry, paste it in the address bar and change the com.au to co.uk then enter it, you will get the record.
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Originally posted by ozgirl View PostI also have UK Ancestry, but have found that if you copy the link from au Ancestry, paste it in the address bar and change the com.au to co.uk then enter it, you will get the record.Carolyn
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View PostThanks so much for looking.
We presume that the money/land that Elizabeth eventually came into was from Betty Hamilton since the Dudman family that Elizabeth came from were all pretty poor farm labourers from Wiltshire/Berkshire.
Betty Hamilton was born Elizabeth Tibbs in 1767 to Ann Tibbs and Henry Notley, who weren't married at the time. Henry Notley had an ale house and some land in Longburton, Dorest. They also had twins, James and William Tibbs in 1762. William died as a baby. Ann Tibbs married Henry Notley in 1785. James married Mary Notley, a cousin, in 1793 and had a son Thomas in 1795. Betty Tibbs married Robert Hamilton in 1791 and had a son Andrew in 1804. Thomas Tibbs died in 1819, aged 24. Andrew Hamilton went to America in 1827, aged 23 - and was still there in 1840 when James Tibbs died, as mentioned in James Tibbs' will. - https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...=successSource. His goods and chattels seem to have been inherited by Betty.
Robert Hamilton had died in 1832. Betty Hamilton died in 1842 and I think that was when Elizabeth Tibbs acquired land etc.
But how that all ties into George Tibbs and where he went with the children I don't know.
There were other Tibbs cousins through the brothers of Betty's mother Ann and none of them are with Betty Hamilton, so you might assume George was also related somehow and working as a labourer on Betty's farm when his children were born.
NB it says his wife is Elizabeth and not Mary
and also mentions William Notley, Alweston Farm, FolkeCarolyn
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Carolyn
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Mary Tibbs, wife of James died in Bishops Caundle in June 1820. It looks like James remarried to Elizabeth Dedman in Somerset, Milburne Port in 1824. It is quite likely that the Elizabeth referred to in the will is this one. This would explain why she was living with Elizabeth Hamilton, her sister in law. If this is so, then they (at the moment) have no links with George.
There is also the death in Bishops Caundle in 1839 of Elizabeth Tibbs, aged 40, who is the right age to be George's wife. Maybe George moved on after his wife's death - I can find no deaths for a George at the moment.
(sorry, am dashing out, have no time to do links)Linda
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostIs the will the key, and is when they acquired the farm? although doesn't sort out the link between Betty and Elizabeth, uk link here.
NB it says his wife is Elizabeth and not Mary
and also mentions William Notley, Alweston Farm, Folke
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Post
Henry Notley is named as the father of James and William Tibbs on their baptism record - I wonder if he also fathered Betty?
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Originally posted by ozgirl View PostMary Tibbs, wife of James died in Bishops Caundle in June 1820. It looks like James remarried to Elizabeth Dedman in Somerset, Milburne Port in 1824. It is quite likely that the Elizabeth referred to in the will is this one. This would explain why she was living with Elizabeth Hamilton, her sister in law. If this is so, then they (at the moment) have no links with George.
There is also the death in Bishops Caundle in 1839 of Elizabeth Tibbs, aged 40, who is the right age to be George's wife. Maybe George moved on after his wife's death - I can find no deaths for a George at the moment.
(sorry, am dashing out, have no time to do links)
The Elizabeth Tibbs who was living with Betty Hamilton in 1841 is Elizabeth Dudman from Great Bedwyn Wiltshire -born in 1790 - as per the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census records and her burial record in 1869. She was also the aunt of Isaac, Emily and George Townsend who were with her in 1841 and Diana Townsend who married George Gartrell and went on to manage the farm.
The Elizabeth Tibbs who died in 1837 in Bishops Caundle aged 40 was I think Elizabeth Smith who married Henry Tibbs in 1816.
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View Post
Would there be some mention of the deaths of George and the children in the newspapers at the time, if that's what happened?Linda
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View PostThank you , yes definitely the start of the money trail -
Henry Notley is named as the father of James and William Tibbs on their baptism record - I wonder if he also fathered Betty?
I just thought there maybe a few more wills about that tie up some people.
Did Betty have one?Last edited by cbcarolyn; 18-06-19, 16:57.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postin the will he says 'my wife's daughter' so I am assuming not. Not that any of this helps with George!
I just thought there maybe a few more wills about that tie up some people.
Did Betty have one?
It would help a bit if we knew whether George was 30 years older than Elizabeth or 10 years younger
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Hi all - been a busy day here in OZ
Searching for inspiration on "The Genealogist" site I came across a George Tibbs on the 1841 census - in London, born in 1791 of independent means. However I don't have a subscription to the site and I can't seem to track him down on ancestry.
Any help would be very gratefully accepted
Thanks
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Could this be the one you mean - transcribed as Lobbs on Ancestry - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...-0505/8075004?
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Originally posted by Sussex Maid View PostCould this be the one you mean - transcribed as Lobbs on Ancestry - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...-0505/8075004?
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That was a good find - but guess not your man :( Makes you wonder if he is there somewhere just badly written. The 1841 is harder as there is no county born in, unless it is the one they are living in.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostThat was a good find - but guess not your man :( Makes you wonder if he is there somewhere just badly written. The 1841 is harder as there is no county born in, unless it is the one they are living in.
The most logical thing would be if George was an illegitimate son of James or Betty Tibbs - but no indication of that either thus far :(
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Originally posted by thomasalbertedward View PostNo, I don't think he's my man - still looking at him though, and with names being mistranscribed makes me wonder where the children are in 1841?
The most logical thing would be if George was an illegitimate son of James or Betty Tibbs - but no indication of that either thus far :(
do you have anything on Elizabeths parents?Last edited by cbcarolyn; 22-06-19, 08:38.Carolyn
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthe dates would make sense, although Dinah is described as a niece.
do you have anything on Elizabeths parents?
Dinah is the daughter of James Townsend and Hannah Dudman, Elizabeth Dudman's sister and her parents were William and Elizabeth Dudman - this is her baptism https://www.ancestry.com.au/interact...SAAEgKIT_D_BwE
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View Postthere is a william on his own here, is that a dubbins as head? can't make out the 'family' at all!
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interacti...YaAvSSEALw_wcB
That does look like a Dubbins as head though - it's been transcribed as Matilda Atkins
Yes, it is Matilda Atkins - she lived until after the 1861 census and seems to have boarded orphaned/illegitimate children.
Interesting findLast edited by thomasalbertedward; 22-06-19, 10:34.
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