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    This family are a bit elusive!

    Can anyone add to this family?
    11 June 1827 Mary Ann Williams mar Joseph Gapp Boulter at Brighthelmston. They had two sons – Joseph Gapp Boulter junior bp 11 May 1828 at Kennington, Lambeth, & Charles Boulter, bp Brighthelmston June 1829. I haven’t found any further births to this couple. James senior was recorded as an artist in both baptism registers. Gapp was the maiden surname of Joseph’s mother.
    In 1841 a 12 year old Joseph Gapp & 11 year old Charles Gapp (no Boulter) were recorded in Brighthelmston workhouse. I haven’t been able to identify either Joseph senior or Mary Ann in 1841 census. Joseph Gapp Boulter sen died in Norwich workhouse on 9 April 1843 and was buried on 12 April “by his friends.” He was a Quaker. (His estate eventually went through administration in 1877, as part of a job lot of the five estates of five siblings, the applications being made by a communal nephew. The probate record stated, incorrectly, that Joseph Gapp Boulter sen was a bachelor.)
    I have no idea what happened to Mary Ann, but suspect that she may well have died shortly after the birth in 1829. I don’t know what became of Joseph Gapp Junior. I’ve found 2 lots of merchant seaman records on FMP – one for Charles Gapp Boulter and another one for a Charles Gapp. Each entry has a different registration number and pob and year of first going to sea, BUT both registrations have the seaman with the same dob – 11 April, 1830.
    Today I found this – https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...=29&cc=1459985
    Charles Bolter was a mariner, born England c 1829/30. Can anyone help?

    Thanks for reading and sorry about the length.
    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    have found this 1851

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...=try&h=2632413

    John Gaines 38
    Elizabeth Gaines 29
    Edwin Gaines 7
    Emma Gaines 3
    Joseph Boulter 23 born Brighton, Sussex, nephew...***artist

    Edwin John Gains born Q3 Bloomsbury 1843 has a MMN as Williams

    ***just amended as I didn't write artist
    Last edited by Elaine; 20-05-19 at 21:59.
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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    And Emma

    GAINES, EMMA ANN MMN WILLIAMS
    GRO Reference: 1847 D Q in ST GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST GEORGE BLOOMSBURY Volume 01 Page 76
    Last edited by Elaine; 20-05-19 at 22:15.
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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    Thank you Elaine - a great find!

    The artist is also a plus (this lot were quite artistic - engravers, illustrators etc) as there was another Boulter family at Brighton around the same time and they were chimney sweeps. I don't think there was any connection between the two extended families.

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    Got a bit stumped then found

    GAINES, ELIZA MARY WILLIAMS
    GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in STRAND Volume 01B Page 375

    and think the 2 girls could be here 1861

    https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bi...try&h=10876427

    Thomas Dudney 46
    Ann Dudney 45
    Harriette Dudney 18
    Emma Ann Gaines 13
    Eliza Mary Gaines 7
    Charles Whiddick 23

    Record set Thames & Medway Marriages
    First name(s) Thomas
    Last name Dudney
    Marriage year 1839
    Spouse's first name(s) Ann
    Spouse's last name Williams
    County Kent
    Country England
    Place Northfleet
    Marriage date 21 Mar 1839
    Source St.Botolph Northfleet marriages 1837-1871

    DUDNEY, HARRIET WILLIAMS
    GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in NORTH AYLESFORD UNION Volume 05 Page 367
    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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    Elaine

    Looking for Ward, Moore, Hunt, Warren...and who was Gertrude Wills

    http://leicestermoores.tribalpages.com
    http://wardnottsleics.tribalpages.com

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    Thanks again, Elaine.
    Joseph Gapp B senior & Mary Ann Williams married in 1827, so too early to cross reference fathers' names on PR entries.

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    did you find this for charles? Just more about mariner:
    https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...0043?pid=30288
    Carolyn

    Researching:Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon
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    Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff

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    Thank you Carolyn. Unfortunately I'm not able to access that Ancestry link, even though I have a sub for Ancestry.co - sometimes the site just won't play ball once I'm in, tells me to sign in (even though I already have) and then won't accept my details. Can you tell me which Ancestry database I need to access the info and what to enter in the search box, please?

    Jay
    Janet in Yorkshire



    Genealogists never die - they just swap places in the family tree

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    I can see Carolyn's link. Ancestry did the same to me this morning

    UK Apprentices Indentured in the Merchant Navy 1824-1910. Chs Gapp Boulter

    On FMP

    Charles' ticket details

    https://search.findmypast.co.uk/reco...2132925623%2F1

    Charles Gapp Boulter

    Ticket No 346477

    Born Kennington, Surrey 11th April 1830

    Capacity of app. Age when Ticketed 16

    Height Gaining, Complexion Fair, Hair Auburn, Eyes Brown

    First went to sea as a boy in 1844

    When unemployed resides at Long Acre

    Issued at London 1846

    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 21-05-19 at 10:44.

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