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Looking for death information - Leonard Edgar Biggs
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Originally posted by Val wish Id never started View Postyou dont think maybe he hadn't died then? its been known
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It's certainly strange. I wonder if he died in an institution and somehow missed being registered. Have you tried contacting Birmingham Archives? They would be able to tell you which institutions accepted epileptic patients in that area in 1920s. You wouldn't be able to see any records (100 year rule) but an archivist may be able search on your behalf.Kat
My avatar is my mother 1921 - 2012
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Hi Kat, no I haven’t tried that yet. I wasn’t really sure what I was looking for. I’ll try and get in touch with them and see if they can recommend anything. I didn’t think they’d be willing to look up archives without paid requests.
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Last edited by Guest; 20-03-19, 23:46.
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There were two Asylums in Birmingham - All Saints and Rubery Hill. The latter built an extension for those patients who were not likely to be cured. Not sure if a person suffering from epilepsy would meet that criteria. Unfortunately at the beginning of WW1 Hollymoor Hospital was taken over by the Military and in patients at the time transferred to Asylums across the West Midlands.
I note that on many occasions Leonard Edgar signed up for various Regiments only for his epilepsy to be discovered and for him to be discharged unfit medically.
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 21-03-19, 06:34.
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Hi Vera, thanks for the additional information. More avenues to try and follow up on.. I'll see what I can find, though I don't expect to resolve much. Could it it be possible he joined some other war unit and records were destroyed? Seems a long shot, but the institution thing just doesn't feel right, though I'll try and dig into it as much as I can.
I'd seen the many army enrollments.. and the subsequent discharge papers. I did find this snippet in some post-war editorial which is interesting though.. note it mentions though he couldn't travel, he was still involved throughout the war?? https://imgur.com/PTDZNhN
Lee
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Seems strange he was discharged unfit in 1915.
I note one army record has him diagnosed as having chronic lead poisoning and attacks of syncope which fits with his job as a painter and some scarring of the kidneys. So not a physically fit man.
VeraLast edited by vera2013; 21-03-19, 08:40.
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Thinking out loud on the logic...
the reg office should have the best transcribed record as this is the first time it has been 'documented', the GRO are transcriptions of transcriptions, so errors will creep in.
It seems it would be impossible to not register the death otherwise no burial would be allowed.
I am not sure if it is possible for a certificate to not make an index at all, they are prenumbered and 'audited'
If he was ill he could have gone to a hospital/institution and death registered there, are there nearby places that are in another reg district?
the person registering the death may get details wrong.
Name could be wrong on certificate
the death in 1922 may not be right, but there is no obvious death at anytime as far as I can see on GRO
so there is a possibility that 2 of these things have gone have happened.
We can only presume the reg office looked for Biggs only and maybe not Briggs? there is one on GRO for that date, but age only 33,
his burial or cremation should be documented, but maybe not on line? nothing on deceased on line.Last edited by cbcarolyn; 21-03-19, 08:45.Carolyn
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Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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I did also wondered if his names were muddled on the index, but have not seen anything obvious, tried edgar as surname.
Do you know which is their local church?Carolyn
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Researching: Luggs, Freeman - Cornwall; Dayman, Hobbs, Heard - Devon; Wilson, Miles - Northants; Brett, Everett, Clark, Allum - Herts/Essex
Also interested in Proctor, Woodruff
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Originally posted by vera2013 View Posthttps://www.countyasylums.co.uk/hollymoor-birmingham/
There were two Asylums in Birmingham - All Saints and Rubery Hill. The latter built an extension for those patients who were not likely to be cured. Not sure if a person suffering from epilepsy would meet that criteria. Unfortunately at the beginning of WW1 Hollymoor Hospital was taken over by the Military and in patients at the time transferred to Asylums across the West Midlands.
I note that on many occasions Leonard Edgar signed up for various Regiments only for his epilepsy to be discovered and for him to be discharged unfit medically.
Vera
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Originally posted by Katarzyna View PostWhere did you find that snippet, Lee? What year was it published?
Apparently info could be submitted by families or soldiers themselves and not verified.
The military records on two occasions state permanently unfit for home/foreign/war service
Vera
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Originally posted by vera2013 View PostSeems strange he was discharged unfit in 1915.
I note one army record has him diagnosed as having chronic lead poisoning and attacks of syncope which fits with his job as a painter and some scarring of the kidneys. So not a physically fit man.
Vera
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Originally posted by cbcarolyn View PostThinking out loud on the logic...
the reg office should have the best transcribed record as this is the first time it has been 'documented', the GRO are transcriptions of transcriptions, so errors will creep in.
It seems it would be impossible to not register the death otherwise no burial would be allowed.
I am not sure if it is possible for a certificate to not make an index at all, they are prenumbered and 'audited'
If he was ill he could have gone to a hospital/institution and death registered there, are there nearby places that are in another reg district?
the person registering the death may get details wrong.
Name could be wrong on certificate
the death in 1922 may not be right, but there is no obvious death at anytime as far as I can see on GRO
so there is a possibility that 2 of these things have gone have happened.
We can only presume the reg office looked for Biggs only and maybe not Briggs? there is one on GRO for that date, but age only 33,
his burial or cremation should be documented, but maybe not on line? nothing on deceased on line.
Other than Birmingham, I guess the other likely places would be Uxbridge/Bucks/Kensington, but again would be assuming a mistranscribed GRO entry. I guess I could apply for a death cert from them as I did for Birmingham and see if they come back with anything (easy way to throw $ down the drain )
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Originally posted by pearlyred View PostHi Vera, could you link that record? I'm not sure I noticed that previously, but you may just be better at reading that handwriting than me
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