Bennett/Dixon/Gates

[Elaine]

Thanks Chrissie, first time I have had to look at bonnets

[Katarzyna]

unless I have gone wrong and found wrong Henry, I can't find the census for this wife, I have Jane for Henry Carter, and on GRO I have MALPAS as Mother name. I can see a newspaper article for henry carter and death of his wife age 41 in June 61, so you might want to check this out.

so she must be his new wife, I think I have him on his own in 1871.

There is a marriage for them in 1871

Marriages Jun 1871
Carter Henry Hereford 6a 904
FISHER Frances Sarah Hereford 6a 904

Edit: Looks like she was married before:
Name: Frances Sarah Fisher
[Frances Sarah Hamp]
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 13 Jun 1871
Marriage Place: Saint Nicholas,Hereford,Hereford,England
Father: Francis Hamp
Spouse: Henry Carter
FHL Film Number: 1041600

[Katarzyna]

1971 with Jane and these two children.

CARTER, JESSIE JANE mmn MUSGROVE
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 168

CARTER, HENRY JOHN MUSGROVE
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 179

There is a marriage but in Newark????

Marriages Sep 1857
Carter Henry Newark 7b 407
Musgrove Jane Newark 7b 407

[Katarzyna]

1971 with Jane and these two children. This should read 1871 - Jane's two children with Henry as widower. Jane had died by then

CARTER, JESSIE JANE mmn MUSGROVE
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 168

CARTER, HENRY JOHN MUSGROVE
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in PRESTEIGN Volume 11B Page 179

There is a marriage but in Newark????

Marriages Sep 1857
Carter Henry Newark 7b 407
Musgrove Jane Newark 7b 407

It looks like Jane died in childbirth.
Deaths Jun 1861
Carter Jane age 41 Presteigne 11b 128

[cbcarolyn]

It looks like Jane died in childbirth.
Deaths Jun 1861
Carter Jane age 41 Presteigne 11b 128

Still can't find Letitia on GRO and she was born (1841) before 1857 - so looks like he was married before Jane Musgrove.

Just realised he is widowed (had misread Letitia as his wife - but is his mother on 1851 census, so think GRO records for MALPAS might be right? - as that is in Ludlow.

1851 census I have:
Name: Letitia Carter
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Henry Carter
Gender: Female
Where born: Caynham, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: Pembridge
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Town: Pembridge
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England
Street address:


Occupation:


Condition as to marriage:


Disability:


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Registration district: Presteigne
Sub-registration district: Brilley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Piece: 2492
Folio: 385
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Carter 38
Letitia Carter 73
Henry Carter 13
Letitia Carter 11

[Katarzyna]

Henry is on 1841 with Sarah - mother of Letitia.
Death
CARTER, SARAH 49
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 18 Page 59

[cbcarolyn]

This page mentions Dunstable Straw and has pictures of Bonnets through the ages -
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...201819&f=false

great pics - like the explanations of the colours. The BBC program was interesting, it explained the different types of straw, and the certain types gave a finer weave. I am fascinated by all this history. What has surprised me is that it is Dunstable that is mentioned as the place for straw bonnets, and not Luton.

[cbcarolyn]

Henry is on 1841 with Sarah - mother of Letitia.
Death
CARTER, SARAH 49
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 18 Page 59

Yes, and assume it to be Sarah Malpas. I can find a rather strange marriage in Westminster, the image of the pallots marriage seems to say Salop - can't read the rest as out of focus.

also a brother Edward and an Eleanor - but think she maybe a relation

[Katarzyna]

CARTER, LETITIA mmn MALPAS
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 18 Page 63

Edward Henry Carter
Gender: Male
Christening Date (Original): 12 NOV 1837
Christening Place: CAYNHAM,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Henry Carter
Mother's Name: Sarah

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Letitia Carter
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 03 Sep 1839
Christening Date (Original): 03 SEP 1839
Christening Place: CAYNHAM,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Henry Carter
Mother's Name: Sarah

[cbcarolyn]

CARTER, LETITIA mmn MALPAS
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in LUDLOW Volume 18 Page 63

yes that is what I found and her brother. I think this must be the Sarah that was mentioned on original post and she died long before Henry.

[Elaine]

1857 marriage was in the newspaper, Henry Carter of Milton House, Herefordshire

On the Nottingham index St George 7 Jul 1857 North Clifton

[Elaine]

Death was 1861

[cbcarolyn]

he got around....

[Katarzyna]

Yes, and assume it to be Sarah Malpas. I can find a rather strange marriage in Westminster, the image of the pallots marriage seems to say Salop - can't read the rest as out of focus.

This image is OK and yes strange 1836 Westminster. Like the marriage to Jane in Newark???

malpas.JPG

[Katarzyna]

1857 marriage was in the newspaper, Henry Carter of Milton House, Herefordshire

On the Nottingham index St George 7 Jul 1857 North Clifton

Well that nicely confirms the marriage registration I found for Newark for Jane and Henry.

[Elaine]

Checked an advert placed regards the death of Ann Brewer and there is a will....leaving various to her sister Frances Dixon and her 3 daughters, Fanny, Mary Ann and Elizabeth, also David Feltham, Elizabeth Bennett and it names brothers.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=5111&h=226401&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD19696&_phstart=successSource

England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
Name: Ann Brewer
Probate Date: 7 Feb 1820
Residence: Pentridge, Dorset, England

[Elaine]

It goes on to name Frances's children again Fanny Dixon, Mary Ann Feltham, Elizabeth Bennett and there is a son John Dixon.

I can't quite make out the brothers surname, but there are brothers John and David

[cbcarolyn]

This image is OK and yes strange 1836 Westminster. Like the marriage to Jane in Newark???

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odd isn't it - all this moving about

[cbcarolyn]

Checked an advert placed regards the death of Ann Brewer and there is a will....leaving various to her sister Frances Dixon and her 3 daughters, Fanny, Mary Ann and Elizabeth, also David Feltham, Elizabeth Bennett and it names brothers.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=5111&h=226401&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=FhD19696&_phstart=successSource

England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858
Name: Ann Brewer
Probate Date: 7 Feb 1820
Residence: Pentridge, Dorset, England

wow what a great find, what led you to that?

[Elaine]

Death in the paper for Ann Brewer

Salisbury and Winchester Journal 22 November 1819