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  1. #141

    Elizabeth Swift

    Trying to tie up loose ends:

    I can find Elizabeth Swift in 1871:

    Name:
    Elizabeth Swift
    Age:
    25
    Estimated birth year:
    abt 1846
    Relation:
    Servant
    Gender:
    Female
    Where born:
    Shenley, Buckinghamshire, England
    Civil Parish:
    Chiddingfold
    County/Island:
    Surrey
    Country:
    England
    Registration district:
    Hambledon
    Sub-registration district:
    Witley
    ED, institution, or vessel:
    13
    Household schedule number:
    42
    Piece:
    824
    Folio:
    67
    Page Number:
    7
    Household Members:
    Name
    Age
    Katharine Brooks
    48
    Elizabeth Swift
    25
    Charles Swift
    30
    Edward Willett
    22
    George Swift
    14

    And in 1881:

    Name:
    Elizabeth Swift
    Age:
    27
    Estimated birth year:
    abt 1854
    Relationship to Head:
    Sister
    Gender:
    Female
    Where born:
    Shenley, Middlesex, England
    Civil Parish:
    Hendon
    County/Island:
    Middlesex
    Country:
    England
    Street address:
    Dollis Farm
    Education:

    Employment status:

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    Occupation:
    House Keeper
    Registration district:
    Hendon
    ED, institution, or vessel:
    3a
    Neighbors:
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    Piece:
    1366
    Folio:
    72
    Page Number:
    10
    Household Members:
    Name
    Age
    Charles Swift
    33
    Aaron Swift
    35
    Elizabeth Swift
    27
    George Swift
    22
    Charley Swift
    16
    Charles Horn
    15
    Emily Horn
    9
    Willie Horn
    8
    Lizzie Horn
    3
    Charles Broad
    20
    Eliza Adams
    30
    Catherine Brooks
    54

    And in 1891 - back to being Elizabeth Hooper - because it was more respectable with male boarders in the house?:

    Name:
    Elizabeth Hooper
    Gender:
    Female
    Age:
    49
    Relationship:
    Sister
    Birth Year:
    1842
    Birth Place:
    Shenley, Buckinghamshire, England
    Civil Parish:
    Hendon
    Residence Place:
    Hendon, Hendon, Middlesex, England
    Sub registration district:
    Hendon
    ED, Institution or Vessel:
    4a
    Neighbors:
    View others on page
    Piece:
    1049
    Folio:
    143
    Household Members:
    Name
    Age
    Charles Swift
    54
    Elizabeth Hooper
    49
    Elizabeth Hores
    13
    William Hores
    17
    Jessie Cook
    17
    James Bucknor
    20
    James Edwards
    22
    William Jackson
    19

    But after that cannot find a death or another census record under either Swift or Hooper - probably I am missing the obvious, but would really appreciate if someone could check where she might have ended up?

    Thank you

  2. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by thomasalbertedward View Post
    I haven't got Alice's, but Mary Jane's seems to be a common grave, yes. This is the probate record: https://www.ancestry.com.au/interact...39/edit/record
    so there seems to have been plenty of money?

    I wonder if he died at home with Ellen or at Jessie's - we should order the death cert and see who was witness to the death

    I can see why the brother John had the money left to him though - If Lucy Webb, let alone Elizabeth Swift, were still alive when William died, then Jessie wasn't legally his wife and under the law would have gotten nothing. I imagine leaving it to brother John was safer - it might also explain why John and Jessie later married - to keep all the money in the family so to speak.
    The money wasn't 'left' to John as such, he was granted Administration, which means that William must have died without leaving a will. It's unlikely that the full probate record will add anything, but if you wanted to you can buy it from here (middle tab): https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by teasie View Post
    The money wasn't 'left' to John as such, he was granted Administration, which means that William must have died without leaving a will. It's unlikely that the full probate record will add anything, but if you wanted to you can buy it from here (middle tab): https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
    thank you

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    that must have been interesting without a will, how much effort do they have to find the next of kin. Or guess as his 'current' wife was still alive it would have gone to her.
    Carolyn

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  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    that must have been interesting without a will, how much effort do they have to find the next of kin. Or guess as his 'current' wife was still alive it would have gone to her.
    I'm not sure, but I did do research on one lady who married in 1888 at the age of 18 - her husband was surnamed Brown and the marriage ended after a few years - no children - then she had a second defacto -again no children - and then a third defacto who she had her only child to in 1912 when she was well in her 40's. Five years later there was a work accident and her son's father died. She attended the inquest as his wife and they would have been living together about 15 years by this time. But on the probate record she is "Ellen Brown, wife of Edwin Brown" - since Edwin Brown was still very much alive, although she hadn't seen him since 1891. She hadn't married any of her defactos, but was still known by her one legal married name. So maybe, the money wouldn't have gone to Jessie or may be she didn't want to run the risk of being charged with bigamy herself? Come to think of it, could you be charged with bigamy if you married a bigamist?

  6. #146
    Could this be a death for Elizabeth: First name(s) ELIZABETH
    Last name SWIFT
    Gender Female
    Birth day -
    Birth month -
    Birth year 1837
    Age 56
    Death quarter 3
    Death year 1893
    District Pancras
    County London
    Volume 1B
    Page 121
    Country England
    Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by cbcarolyn View Post
    that must have been interesting without a will, how much effort do they have to find the next of kin. Or guess as his 'current' wife was still alive it would have gone to her.
    Quote Originally Posted by thomasalbertedward View Post
    So maybe, the money wouldn't have gone to Jessie or may be she didn't want to run the risk of being charged with bigamy herself? Come to think of it, could you be charged with bigamy if you married a bigamist?
    Only the bigamist would have run the risk of being charged, but the marriage would not have been a valid one in the eyes of the law so if William & Jessie married whilst William had a legal wife still living, Jessie would not inherit. Similarly, William's surviving children would have no legal right to inherit either, as they were all illegitimate.

    John, as legal next of kin, was therefore the correct person to apply for Probate and should have distributed the estate amongst William's siblings, although I'm not sure whether his sister's (if any) would have been entitled to an equal share. Whether John did this, or kept it all for himself & Jessie, I guess we may never know!

    I did come across one Probate/Administration where the (married) man in question had changed his name and lived with (but not married) another woman, and this background was detailed in the Probate documents. I'd be surprised if there was this kind of detail in William's probate though, but you never know!

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