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    Gosh I’ve been round the world searching for Samuel Fegan and I can’t track him at all nor his father John. You would think they didn’t want to be found.
    There are John fegans in America and England , fegans who went to Australia but I cannot link them at all.
    Thus has posed a real challenge for us.

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    Hello everyone. I’m still searching for the elusive John Fegan. I’ve come across a John Fegan who was apprentice indentured in merchant navy. Could this be why I can’t find out anything about him. No place of birth, marriage or death??? If Samuel his son was on a ship in Portsmouth in 1861 maybe he joined merchant navy too for a while. Hard to make out names of who they were assigned to. I did notice they travelled and was listed as coastal and foreign travel so assume the navy travelled the high seas. It’s like chipping at a stone.

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    Although a Samuel Fegan was on a ship in 1861, not sure he was Navy. He was a Private RMSJ. Not sure either what RMSJ means.
    The burial of the Samuel Fegan 1861 records just J.

    Will see if I can at least eliminate him.

    Vera

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    Looking at beginning of Census, Marines on board as well as Officers, Seamen and Boys

    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 10-03-19 at 21:09.

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    Thanks Vera. Really I’m clutching at anything to make a connection between Samuel who died 1913 and his father John whom I know nothing about. Frustrating to say the least. We understand they were Covenanters and tried to track down that why too but no luck.

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    National Archives
    1814-1868
    Navy, Royal Marines and Coastguard
    ADM 158/45/9/35

    Samuel Fegen
    18 years 5 months
    Place of Birth Ballyarkrin, Coleraine, Londonderry

    Royal Marines, Woolwich Div F

    Can't find a Ballyarkrin in Coleraine. Don't think the 1861 is yours. More likely to be the one who died at the Haslar Naval Hospital.

    Vera

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    Maybe we totally on wrong track. Not sure what direction to go now. They are so hard to find. Thank you Vera .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorna View Post
    Thank you Elwyn. I wonder where Samuel was living from date of his marriage until he bought Ballynaleck
    Just in case you dont have the info

    The two children on the 1901 James S and Minnie are registered

    Under Fagan
    Samuel James b 16/11/1875 Ballydogherty
    Mary b 25/12/1877 Ballydogherty

    Ballydogherty as you may recall was Mary Rafferty's residence at time of marriage to Samuel.

    I'm poking around a bit in Irish Genealogy. Looking at Robert Malcolmson witness to the 1874 wedding. Possibly only a farming neighbour but will check for possible relation.

    Vera
    Last edited by vera2013; 12-03-19 at 07:20.

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    I looked at the Valuation Revision records (on the PRONI website) for Ballydogherty, Co. Armagh covering the years 1875 – 1877. The Fegan family weren’t listed. So that means that either they were lodging with someone else or their property was of too low a value to be worth listing. (Less than £5 a year). Many labourers and weavers lived in that sort of property and so didn’t get listed. There were 2 Rafferty households there Isaac on plot 2cc and Joseph on 4c. Both were labourers cottages. Possibly they lived there. No real way of finding out.

    One of the things to think about with this Fegan family is that they were in the Loughgilly area but they simply don’t appear in any records. The censuses they would have been listed in have all been destroyed, save for a few fragments for 1841 & 1851. As labourers they were much less likely to be listed in any land records. Samuel was born c 1837. That’s long before the start of statutory birth registration in Ireland (1864), so you won’t find a birth certificate for him. You might find his baptism but if he was baptised at Ballenon Reformed Presbyterian church then their records don't go back far enough. This is what exists for that church:

    Baptisms, 1860-77; marriages, 1851-1934; deaths, 1850-68, with three references, 1880-95; register of admissions, 1849-67; register of departures, 1849-68; session minutes, 1820-67 with list of members, 1820- 21; session and committee minutes, 1897- 1905; diary entries, 1850-67; stipend list, 1853; stipend accounts listing names, 1854-1913; collection accounts, 1860-65; session minutes, accounts and correspondence, 1819- 83; accounts, 1954-85; Sunday School roll book, 1928-40.

    The above records are not on-line. They are in PRONI and a personal visit is required to view them.

    Likewise his father was presumably married pre 1837. That’s before the start of statutory registration for marriages (1845, for non RC, 1864 for RC) so again it won’t be in the stat records. You might find it in church records but you would need to know which church. (Tradition being to marry in the bride’s). If it was Ballenon RP then clearly you won’t find it as their records don’t go back far enough. But there are other churches in the area with records that do cover that period. But few of them are on-line. You would need to search them in PRONI.

    So to summarise, the reason you aren’t finding much on the family is that there aren’t many relevant records to search, and some of what there is, is not available on-line.
    Elwyn

    I am based in Co. Antrim and undertake research in Northern Ireland. Please feel free to contact me for help or advice via PM.

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    Thank you so much for all this information. Yes I think a visit to PRONI is the way to go.
    Ill keep going as I would love to find out more about them. Lorna

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