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    1921 Census ??

    Hi, will we have to wait until 2021 to see the publication of the census - or maybe it will be released early like the 1911 ???
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    I heard on My Family Secrets programme on Tele that it was going to be 2022 before it is released.

    I've not had a look but just remembered that 1911 was released early and thought that this one might be.
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    I think they were loathe to release censuses early in case they contained 'live people'. What happens now people are living longer ie over 100 years of age?
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    I'm sure if I got to 100 I would love to see my name on an old document. But not everyone knows the truth about their past. Perhaps I might have a shock as well. Who knows!!!
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    Yeah that living to 100 thing got me when searching for a death, I stopped looking 100 years after the birth, and she lived until the first quarter of the following year!!
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    And beware of GRO transcriptions sowing a death as 'born about 2006' when in fact it should read 1905!! I saw this very recently and thought the transcription couldn't cope with numbers more than 100.
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    My understanding was that the government had promised in 1921 that the census would not be released fro 100 years in order to get people to fill in the forms, and thus they are very unlikely to release it until then.

    It presumably will then be released to FindMyPast or Ancestry to be transcribed/digitised or whatever they do, and will then be released at an extra cost by whichever company got it. It might be 2022 or even later before it comes into what might be called "general release, without any extra charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lin Fisher View Post
    I'm sure if I got to 100 I would love to see my name on an old document. But not everyone knows the truth about their past. Perhaps I might have a shock as well. Who knows!!!
    My granny was very amused to see herself on the 1901 census - it took me ages to find her as their everyday names had been used rather than their Sunday names. Her name was Kathleen Mary aka Molly and she died in Dec 2003 a month short of 106.

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    I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that if it remains in the GRO possession it can't be released until the 100 yrs have passed BUT if it goes to TNA then they can release it anytime.

    seems that they don't have any issue with the 1939 register being 'out there' yet the 1921 census there is the 100 yr rule. blooming daft if you ask me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia C View Post
    My understanding was that the government had promised in 1921 that the census would not be released fro 100 years in order to get people to fill in the forms, and thus they are very unlikely to release it until then.


    No, No, NO; that is a common misconception.

    The first census to claim the census would remain closed for 100 years was the 1981 census.
    Yes, 1981 60 years after the 1921 census was taken.



    In 1981 the Registrar General made a promise on the 1981 census forms that the census would be closed for 100 years, this commitment was repeated on the 1991 and 2001 census forms.



    Unfortunately the Registrar General did not have the authority to make such claims and so that promise was not worth the paper it was printed on.
    In fact the Registrar General who made that claim, Arthur Roger Thatcher, had to write to parliament to apologise for exceeding his authority by making such a claim.
    In earlier census there was a commitment the census would remain confidential but no time limit was placed on this confidentiality.



    The 100 year rule was imposed in 1966 by the Lord Chancellor's Instrument no. 12 of 1966 which was repealed in 2000 by the Freedom of information Act.

    Did the population at the time of the 1921 census think or understand the details given would be confidential for their lifetime?
    I very much doubt it.
    The majority of previous census had been released on average after only 80 years and some considerably earlier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia C View Post
    It presumably will then be released to FindMyPast or Ancestry to be transcribed/digitised or whatever they do, and will then be released at an extra cost by whichever company got it. It might be 2022 or even later before it comes into what might be called "general release, without any extra charges.


    The tender contract was put out at be beginning of last year relevant details here-



    The National Archives is seeking a commercial partner to help it digitise data from the 1921 census of England and Wales.
    The project will require the chosen supplier “to digitise, transcribe, and publish online” records from the decennial national census that was conducted 97 years ago. The archive, a non-ministerial government department housed within the remit of the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, is seeking a provider that can deliver digital image capture, and transcribe text data in a way that permits people to conduct “meaningful searches” of the records.
    The census, which was the first to be conducted following the introduction of the Census Act of 1920. As such, the information it holds is typically considered to be subject to the non-statutory '100-year rule', preventing publication for 100 years on grounds of confidentiality.
    The records can be published from January 2022 at the earliest. The National Archives is looking for a supplier to begin digitisation work in May of this year and plans to award the chosen company a 10-year contract.”

    Note the above states January 2022 at the earliest.
    The legislation covering the 1921 and later census (Census Act, 1920 & the Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991) prohibit disclosure of the census for ever.
    There are ways to get round this legislation which I believe the Passport Office intend to use to release the information but their plan could be blocked by those campaigners who are trying to tighten privacy legislation.


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    PS the 1939 National Registration was not a census and does not come under the Census Act, 1920 & the Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991, that is why, there is a difference and why I could get it and the 1911 census released early.
    I was going to do the same for the 1921 census just after my success with the 1939 but there was no support from the Federation of Family History Societies,
    Family History Societies themselves or from individual family historians so I dropped the attempt.
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