I am hoping that some one may be able to help me to find out for definite the mother of my gggg grand mother Phoebe Ellen Ferniough.
I have not been able to find a birth certificate nor baptism for her that would fit with when she was born.
I know the following about her:-
1 Her first marriage was 10th Oct 1864, Earl Sterndale Derbyshire, to Isaac Wain (she was 20 & living at Brand Side at
the time of the wedding.) she does not provide her father`s name for the wedding certificate.(I presume therefore that she is illegitimate.)
2 Isaac Wain dies 1865
3 Her Children are : Ann W1865, Fredrick W1869,Ellen W 1872, Ernest W 1874, John B1882, George B1883, William B1889
4 2nd Marriage 1879 30 April Burbage to William Bennet
5 Entries in Censuses:
1851 Colshaw Hollinsclough Pheobe is classed as a visitor living with the Lomas Family
1861 Colshaw Hollinsclough Phoebe is classed as a boarder.
1871 Colshaw Hollinsclough Pheobe is classed a lodger.
1881 Winterside Hollinsclough (Longnor)
1891 Hope Cottage Burbage
1901 Chapel en le Frith
1911 School House Burbage (visitor)
6 Phoebe doesn't appear to be related to the people (Lomas family) that she lived with in the 1851,1861 & 1871 census.
George Lomas married Ellen Heathcote in 1822 7th October Hartington, Derbyshire. (F/S.org) which presumably must have been a second marriage for George, as George appears to have had a son named Isaac born circa 1812, who is shown living next door to George and Ellen on the 1841 census, with his wife Jane. Their daughter Sarah is in the household of George and Ellen in 1841 (aged 9) and is shown as their granddaughter (aged 19) on the 1851 census.
7 This subject has been discussed on roots chat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index...opic=680593.18
8 These discussions suggested a Jane Fernehough baptised 22 November 1825 Waterfall Staffordshire parents Charles & Phoebe Fernehough could be my Phoebe Fernehough`s mother. Jane Ferneghough was living in the parental home in 1841 but was living as a servant in 1851 in Leek. Jane’s mother Phoebe died in 1840. Jane’s father Charles died in 1850 (he did no leave a will). Possibly Jane had an illegitimate daughter but had to give up the care of her due to her circumstances. However, if this was the case, I don’t know at what point this occurred between Phoebe’s birth and Phoebe’s appearance as a ‘visitor’ on the 1851 census with the Lomas
family.
Jane Fernyhough of Derby Street marries a John Torr at St Luke in Leek on 25 January 1853.
9 I asked the Staffordshire Record Office if a bastardy order had been made out for Phoebe, they said that at this date the mother could make a claim for maintenance from the father through the magistrate’s court (Petty Sessions) but unfortunately Petty
Sessions records for Staffordshire do not survive until the 1870s onwards. Where cases were disputed they could sometimes go to Quarter Sessions, for which we do have records, but this would be a long-shot.
10 I asked the Staffordshire record office about adoption records but they said that, adoption was not a formal process until the 1920s and prior to that there were official channels for boarding out children, through the local Poor Law Union, although this practice was not widespread prior to the 1870s (for further information see: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/boardingout/). In any case such records do not survive for the Leek poor law union. The Record office have minute books for the Leek Union, and they could check to see if Phoebe’s mother (probably Jane) is mentioned but this is unlikely since her child was not born in the workhouse.
11 The Leek workhouse register of births (D5188/G/1) has been searched but there were no entries for the name Fernihough (or Lomas) and no births of girls named Phoebe listed from 1840 to 1848.
12 The Leek parish registers were searched for a baptism for a Phoebe Ellen Fernihough or variants from the beginning of 1842 to the end of 1846, but without success.
13 The bishops’ transcripts for Hartington (B/V/7/2/334, 1800-1868) and Earl Sterndale (B/V/7/2/247, 1800-1858) from 1840 to 1850, were searched but, without success.
14 Variants of ‘Phoebe’, ‘Ellen’ and ‘Fernihough’ were searched for in the pre-1900 parish registers available on Find My
Past. But no likely baptism for her was found.
Phoebe may not have been baptised and that her birth may not have been registered (as you know there were no penalties for non-registration until 1874).
However Pheobe`s name could link her with Jane Fernighough as Jane`s mother is called Phoebe and is there a link with the Lomas family as Phoebe`s middle name is Ellen the same as Mrs Lomas first name.
Hope you can help
I have not been able to find a birth certificate nor baptism for her that would fit with when she was born.
I know the following about her:-
1 Her first marriage was 10th Oct 1864, Earl Sterndale Derbyshire, to Isaac Wain (she was 20 & living at Brand Side at
the time of the wedding.) she does not provide her father`s name for the wedding certificate.(I presume therefore that she is illegitimate.)
2 Isaac Wain dies 1865
3 Her Children are : Ann W1865, Fredrick W1869,Ellen W 1872, Ernest W 1874, John B1882, George B1883, William B1889
4 2nd Marriage 1879 30 April Burbage to William Bennet
5 Entries in Censuses:
1851 Colshaw Hollinsclough Pheobe is classed as a visitor living with the Lomas Family
1861 Colshaw Hollinsclough Phoebe is classed as a boarder.
1871 Colshaw Hollinsclough Pheobe is classed a lodger.
1881 Winterside Hollinsclough (Longnor)
1891 Hope Cottage Burbage
1901 Chapel en le Frith
1911 School House Burbage (visitor)
6 Phoebe doesn't appear to be related to the people (Lomas family) that she lived with in the 1851,1861 & 1871 census.
George Lomas married Ellen Heathcote in 1822 7th October Hartington, Derbyshire. (F/S.org) which presumably must have been a second marriage for George, as George appears to have had a son named Isaac born circa 1812, who is shown living next door to George and Ellen on the 1841 census, with his wife Jane. Their daughter Sarah is in the household of George and Ellen in 1841 (aged 9) and is shown as their granddaughter (aged 19) on the 1851 census.
7 This subject has been discussed on roots chat
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index...opic=680593.18
8 These discussions suggested a Jane Fernehough baptised 22 November 1825 Waterfall Staffordshire parents Charles & Phoebe Fernehough could be my Phoebe Fernehough`s mother. Jane Ferneghough was living in the parental home in 1841 but was living as a servant in 1851 in Leek. Jane’s mother Phoebe died in 1840. Jane’s father Charles died in 1850 (he did no leave a will). Possibly Jane had an illegitimate daughter but had to give up the care of her due to her circumstances. However, if this was the case, I don’t know at what point this occurred between Phoebe’s birth and Phoebe’s appearance as a ‘visitor’ on the 1851 census with the Lomas
family.
Jane Fernyhough of Derby Street marries a John Torr at St Luke in Leek on 25 January 1853.
9 I asked the Staffordshire Record Office if a bastardy order had been made out for Phoebe, they said that at this date the mother could make a claim for maintenance from the father through the magistrate’s court (Petty Sessions) but unfortunately Petty
Sessions records for Staffordshire do not survive until the 1870s onwards. Where cases were disputed they could sometimes go to Quarter Sessions, for which we do have records, but this would be a long-shot.
10 I asked the Staffordshire record office about adoption records but they said that, adoption was not a formal process until the 1920s and prior to that there were official channels for boarding out children, through the local Poor Law Union, although this practice was not widespread prior to the 1870s (for further information see: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/boardingout/). In any case such records do not survive for the Leek poor law union. The Record office have minute books for the Leek Union, and they could check to see if Phoebe’s mother (probably Jane) is mentioned but this is unlikely since her child was not born in the workhouse.
11 The Leek workhouse register of births (D5188/G/1) has been searched but there were no entries for the name Fernihough (or Lomas) and no births of girls named Phoebe listed from 1840 to 1848.
12 The Leek parish registers were searched for a baptism for a Phoebe Ellen Fernihough or variants from the beginning of 1842 to the end of 1846, but without success.
13 The bishops’ transcripts for Hartington (B/V/7/2/334, 1800-1868) and Earl Sterndale (B/V/7/2/247, 1800-1858) from 1840 to 1850, were searched but, without success.
14 Variants of ‘Phoebe’, ‘Ellen’ and ‘Fernihough’ were searched for in the pre-1900 parish registers available on Find My
Past. But no likely baptism for her was found.
Phoebe may not have been baptised and that her birth may not have been registered (as you know there were no penalties for non-registration until 1874).
However Pheobe`s name could link her with Jane Fernighough as Jane`s mother is called Phoebe and is there a link with the Lomas family as Phoebe`s middle name is Ellen the same as Mrs Lomas first name.
Hope you can help
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